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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: Anyone ever pulled a runner from a university? |
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Have you ever known anyone to pull a runner, or just up and leave, from a university because they weren't being given what was promised(ie: concerning the apartment, etc)?
I know someone in this situation who would just assume leave and go home than put up with strong-arming and delay tactics for the year. This person wouldn't be trying to get another E-2 within a year, as they would just be going home. |
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Free2be
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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If you wanna leave then just bolt...there is no one with glue holding you down right? If you leave though be advised that you will not be able to teach elsewhere without a letter of release...but it sounds like that is not a problem anyhow..so just take the midnight train outta here!!  |
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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, it's not me. I'm very happy at my public school (although the vacation camp requirements make me grumpy). |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard of it. Especially if they go and change the contract after the teacher has signed- e.g. "I agreed to 14 hours a week- not 24 hours and no overtime!" If the univ. won't help your friend, she shouldn't have to deal w/ poor accomodations, etc. for the entire year. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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I've seen a few people pull runners from university gigs, but they were not the uni's fault. Call it a case (or cases) of the Freaky Waeguk...
PS: Karabeara, I sooooooooo disagree with your 'location'. |
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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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Someone pulled a runner form my uni about 2 years ago because he decided to take a gig in UAE. But, like all runners, we did not know about it, were left having to cover his classes, and lost our days off.
What he did was never return from Summer vacation and not telling a soul about his plans. The school sent him an e-mail stating that he would not get a letter of release upon request from any school in Korea, but that point became mute as we later learned that he went to the UAE. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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I still don't get it. Why not just put in notice and state the reasons why? If the actuality of the situation doesn't meet the the contract then the teacher has due course to go to the labour board and get out of the contract.
I guess, if it were a situation where the teacher was in danger because of the workplace, or has an emergency at home and isn't given leave, or the teacher has given notice but the school has chosen to ignore this, then a runner might make sense. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| I still don't get it. Why not just put in notice and state the reasons why? |
Because, when teachers are honest and tell the truth to buxiban/hogwan/eikaiwa owners, they get f ucked over for their final pay, severance and anything else coming to them. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| A guy I recommended to a previous employer pulled a runner which negatively reflected on me! Bastard, burn in hell. |
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The Hierophant
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| periwinkle wrote: |
| I've heard of it. Especially if they go and change the contract after the teacher has signed- e.g. "I agreed to 14 hours a week- not 24 hours and no overtime!" If the univ. won't help your friend, she shouldn't have to deal w/ poor accomodations, etc. for the entire year. |
Regardless of individual circumstances and contracts, it boggles my mind that someone could ever complain about working 24 hours a week (or that they could consider 24 hours a week as entitling them to 'overtime'). |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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I can't quite see why anyone would need to do a runner from a uni.
I side with the point of view that if this 'supposed person' is unhappy, (and an adult), why can't he/she confront the uni head on, and state that if the uni doesn't sort out their misdemeanors, that he/she will quit. If I had such a scenario where I was being blatantly mislead by an employer, and had enough financial resources to get myself a new job, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them my sentiment. If the employer got cagey as a result, I would also go to the labour board if a letter of release was denied.
Personally, I like kids, but if the choice is presented, I would opt for the more generous holidays of universities anyday. How can anyone just work for a meagre 10 days vacation, for example? It'd kill me.
Funny, you changed your avatar... |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| TECO wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| I still don't get it. Why not just put in notice and state the reasons why? |
Because, when teachers are honest and tell the truth to buxiban/hogwan/eikaiwa owners, they get f ucked over for their final pay, severance and anything else coming to them. |
yes...because as we all know...all korean employers aren't honest right and all teachers are. btw, your argument makes no sense. |
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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I would also go to the labour board if a letter of release was denied. |
But once you pull the runner, then denying it to you, I feel, is justified and the teachers left to cover the classes would also agree. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| The Hierophant wrote: |
Regardless of individual circumstances and contracts, it boggles my mind that someone could ever complain about working 24 hours a week (or that they could consider 24 hours a week as entitling them to 'overtime'). |
Teaching 24 hours a week is not the same as working 24 hours a week. People need to spend time preparing lessons. For some classes this can take a long time if you are a conscientious teacher. For example I spend more than an hour preparing for my university 50minute classes.
Although I only have 20 hours of classes a week, if I was doing 24 I would definitely be wanting my overtime pay; I would have earned it. |
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The Hierophant
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
Teaching 24 hours a week is not the same as working 24 hours a week. People need to spend time preparing lessons. For some classes this can take a long time if you are a conscientious teacher. For example I spend more than an hour preparing for my university 50minute classes.
Although I only have 20 hours of classes a week, if I was doing 24 I would definitely be wanting my overtime pay; I would have earned it. |
All right, we differ in our opinions then. I think our total yearly salaries cover our prep times. All part and parcel with having a cushy middle class job like teaching.
At one stage I used to dig ditches and haul concrete for a living, THAT was work  Preparing for classes is a treat  |
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