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		Real Reality
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | ... If you are having a bad time, feeling ripped off from your boss and treated like crap.  Leave, find another job and dont look back.... | 
	 
 
 
How do foreigners fit into this scheme? The simple answer is they don't... you should not expect to be accepted as a member of a Korean's inner circle.
 
Teaching English in Korea, Canadian Embassy
 
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/main/pubs/korea-en.asp
 
Consular Affairs Bureau www.voyage.gc.ca
 
 
 
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea 
 
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous. 
 
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
 
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
 
 
A Country of Liars 
 
In simple comparison, not taking into account population ratio, South Korea saw 16 times as many perjury cases in 2003 than Japan, 39 times as many libel cases and 26 times as many instances of fraud. That is extraordinarily high given Japan's population is three times our own. 
 
The common denominator of the three crimes is lying; in short, we live in a country of liars. The prosecution devotes 70 percent of its work to handling the three crimes, the former justice minister said. And because suspects lie so much, the indictment rate in fraud cases is 19.5 percent, in perjury 29 percent and in libel 43.1 percent. "Internationally, too, there is a perception that South Korea's representative crime is fraud," Kim said, adding that recent major scandals show how rampant lying is in this country.
 
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
 
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html  
 
 
Ex-pats Describe Korea's Culture of Corruption
 
"Koreans always seem prepared to give out bribes. I was shocked by the culture and attitude of Koreans who feel no guilt despite breaking the law."
 
by Kim Hong-jin, Chosun Ilbo (December 16, 2004)
 
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412160027.html | 
			 
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		denverdeath
 
 
  Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				You received your pay, at least the base, for February, right? Make sure you put enough aside for your airfare if you need it in an emergency.
 
 
What kind of deductions have you had from your pay? Do you have medical insurance? Was it at least offered? This is an additional 2.24% deduction from your base salary. Your employer is supposed to match it, and you should have a health card.
 
 
http://www.nhic.or.kr/wbe/nation/nation033.html
 
 
How much are you currently being taxed? Do you receive any kind of pay stub? Do you at least have a bank account(with bank book which you can update), so you can verify to agencies how much your net salary is? Monthly tax depends on how much you make.
 
 
http://www.nts.go.kr/eng/default.html <---click on "Check My Monthly Withholding Tax"
 
 
Do you even have an alien registration card? Do you know if you are registered for the National Pension Plan? That's an additional deduction of 4.5% from your base, which your employer is legally supposed to match.
 
 
http://www.nps4u.or.kr/eng/g-index.html
 
 
Labour:
 
 
http://english.molab.go.kr/
 
 
 
 
All the stuff before now, or whenever your visa became active, is somewhat irrelevant. Yes, you could've been fined and deported for working illegally in the month of December. And, yes, your employer could've been fined. How will you prove your case to immigration? If you do prove your case, you will also be admitting to your own guilt...you shouldn't have been working whether you knew it was illegal or not.
 
 
You have to look at your contract and see if your boss is doing sth that is illegal now. Sth that you might be able to fight with at the labour board. Think about what you want to do first. Make a plan. Check on those few things I mentioned first, and then go to the labour board if you think you have a legit grievance. Call 1350 and explain your situation to them.
 
 
Your boss doesn't have to give you a letter of release if he doesn't want to. He legally doesn't have to, and that is one of the biggest problems with the E-2 visas in Korea. If you do a run, you will not be able to get another job until your current visa expires(I think ten months from now based upon the info you have given), and you could even get a five-year no-entry judgement against you depending on how your boss plays the game. But, if running is a better option, do it soon. The longer you stay with this guy, the angrier you will get. You can refuse to work, but the success of that will depend on how your boss responds to it. If you see no other way of getting out of the mess you're in(through discussion with your boss), getting fired is one other option you have. Never tell your boss that you quit; get fired. Your boss should then drag you down to the immigration department and have your visa cancelled. You'll get a 14-day exit order. Then, you could come back to work somewhere else legally and chalk up those three months to bad luck. Having said that, you might be surprised at how much crap the Korean employer will put up regarding his employee's behaviour. In other words, there are many possible outcomes and many things for you to think about. Even though your situation is pretty sh1tty, you are in no way owned by your boss or a prisoner of this country. Always remember that. | 
			 
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		bellum99
 
  
  Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I have long said that people are full of crap.  I agree with you..he can't do the things he is doing but he will.  People will say all kinds of stupid advice that won't help.  The point is that you are in a tough place..he can give you the hours he wants and you must do them even if the contract doesn't say that because you didn't get the hours of working time put in the contract. 
 
 
 The best thing to do is to try and get fired...but that is hard and he won't give you a letter of release....YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS ONLY:
 
 
1: Get fired or quit and come back to Korea after your contract is over.
 
This is now.
 
 
2: Wait as long as possible and then quit or get fired.
 
 
3: Shut up and try to survive until the contract is over.  Just take that crap and next time be more careful with the contract and school.
 
 
 
---The truth is he very likely won't pay the severance anyway...so I wouldn't stay and hope for that.  I would stay and save some money and then go home and come back (or go to Thailand for a few months and come back after the contract is over).
 
 
 
---This is my last post on this thread.  Read the advice everyone gave and make a choice. | 
			 
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		ontheway
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject:  | 
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				fleart1,
 
 
You are in a bad spot.  You hate your job and your boss.  It would probably be best for you to get out.  The tone of all your postings tells me that you should do it quickly.  The only question would seem to be how.
 
 
Issues:
 
 
The visa run to Japan is not an issue.  Few get paid for that time as working time.  We often get our visas on our own time and dime before we come.
 
 
He lied to you about working illegally in December.  You did it. You didn't know.  It's over now.  Forget it.
 
 
He overcharged your tax in December.  Is he overcharging now?  Yes, he probably kept the money too.   He's dishonest.  This issue could be worked out, maybe.  It's also a reason to leave.  How can you trust him now?  But it's a small thing.
 
 
Your schedule.  This is the big thing.  Yes,  working those 20 min. classes with unpaid 40 min. breaks  (or whatever) is a MAJOR ISSUE.  If you can't work this out, then you have to leave.
 
 
The question is, should you try to work out the schedule problem first, or just get out.  Should you try to work up to the six month mark or go now?  Do you want to leave so bad that you'll run and leave Korea or work something out so you can get a new job?
 
 
Remember this.  You're already screwed.  You will never get what you expected to get, you'll never get what you should have gotten from this job.  You need to make the best moves you can now to get to a better place, as quickly as possible, but without making more trouble for yourself.
 
 
And thank you for posting the dirt bag's business name.  Oh, the tragedy.  Dishonest Abe. | 
			 
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		Grotto
 
  
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				 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Your boss doesn't have to give you a letter of release if he doesn't want to. He legally doesn't have to, and that is one of the biggest problems with the E-2 visas in Korea. If you do a run, you will not be able to get another job until your current visa expires(I think ten months from now based upon the info you have given), and you could even get a five-year no-entry judgement against you depending on how your boss plays the game.  | 
	 
 
 
 
Not entirely true.   You dont necessarily require a release letter.  You can ask your boss for a release letter and if he refuses to give you one you can file a complaint with the labour board.  
 
 
Even if you leave and dont get a letter of release and dont go to the labour board the lazy SOB that you worked for has to file the paperwork against you.......often they are too stupid to know how things actually work.
 
 
In short...dont worry about what if's....Your boss is screwing you over, get paid and get out...line up another job in another province/Do and you shouldnt have any problems.
 
 
Life is too short to put up with a crap boss, crap schedule and crap contract. | 
			 
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		denverdeath
 
 
  Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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				 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Your boss doesn't have to give you a letter of release if he doesn't want to. He legally doesn't have to, and that is one of the biggest problems with the E-2 visas in Korea. If you do a run, you will not be able to get another job until your current visa expires(I think ten months from now based upon the info you have given), and you could even get a five-year no-entry judgement against you depending on how your boss plays the game.  | 
	 
 
 
 
Not entirely true.   You dont necessarily require a release letter.  You can ask your boss for a release letter and if he refuses to give you one you can file a complaint with the labour board.  
 
 
Even if you leave and dont get a letter of release and dont go to the labour board the lazy SOB that you worked for has to file the paperwork against you.......often they are too stupid to know how things actually work.
 
 
In short...dont worry about what if's....Your boss is screwing you over, get paid and get out...line up another job in another province/Do and you shouldnt have any problems.
 
 
Life is too short to put up with a crap boss, crap schedule and crap contract. | 
	 
 
 
 
Somewhat true. You can make note that the employer refused to acknowledge/stamp the letter. The big thing is, will the Ministry of Labour help you with immigration? I left my first year's contract at the tenth-month mark, kissing my severance and airfare good-bye, because I had had enough of the crap at the place where I was working. I didn't come back until a few months later, and it was for a job in another province. And, the new contract started after the ending dates of my previous one. However, I was still a little worried about it all. Everything turned out ok, and I'm glad I left because being angry almost every day(the way I was by that time) is not good. Nonetheless, the OP should be aware of the possibilities. If the OP doesn't have his visa cancelled and/or a letter which is recognized by immigration, he might be able to get another job before his current visa expires, but it might not be that easy. Yes, he could easily go to another country. | 
			 
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		fleart1
 
 
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				Well I can expect the works from immigration because he drove 35 miles to an out of town immigration ofice in Ujambo or something like that because his friend worked there (gulp) I think he will do the worst..
 
Also, just kiss that 2 weeks salary he is holding good bye? | 
			 
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		denverdeath
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  Well I can expect the works from immigration because he drove 35 miles to an out of town immigration ofice in Ujambo or something like that because his friend worked there (gulp) I think he will do the worst..
 
Also, just kiss that 2 weeks salary he is holding good bye? | 
	 
 
 
 
Again, I think it all depends on you. Do you want to stay in Korea? If not, and if the schedule(and other things) is really bothering you, just leave. Turn your card in at the airport and just keep going. If you like it here, or want to stay for financial or other reasons, give your boss two-months' notice according to his new contract(although one month is supposed to be sufficient according to labour law) to keep him happy. Get a post-dated letter ready for him to sign and stamp for Monday. If he refuses to stamp it, make note of that on the letter, especially the date given and his refusal to sign. Again, try to reason with him. Say, "Would you prefer me to leave the way you want me to by giving you the two-months' notice or would you prefer that I just disappeared some night?" If he doesn't listen, you may want to contact the labour board sooner than later and have them talk to your boss. If he doesn't pay you your full salary on the tenth of next month, you'll know sth is up(more so than now) and that is definitely when you need to have the labour board involved, whether your boss has a little friend at immigration or not. Use the contacts and web-sites and numbers and, if necessary, threats to your advantage to strengthen your position. You may just want to bring the labour board's Korean-version web-site up on a computer at work and ask your boss, "Does this place help foreigners when they have trouble in Korea?" Also, remember that they all have friends at immigration   ...you should be registered in the city/province where you are working. My wife might have a best friend working in an office up in Seoul, but that doesn't mean that she can get that friend to register me for work here in Boo-sahn.
 
 
The "two-weeks salary" thing I don't know enough about because I don't know when you technically began to work and what your contract states and what the dates are on your alien registration card. I would definitely say kiss the one week in December good-bye. | 
			 
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