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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Teaching 24 hours a week is not the same as working 24 hours a week. People need to spend time preparing lessons. For some classes this can take a long time if you are a conscientious teacher. For example I spend more than an hour preparing for my university 50minute classes.
Although I only have 20 hours of classes a week, if I was doing 24 I would definitely be wanting my overtime pay; I would have earned it. |
All right, we differ in our opinions then. I think our total yearly salaries cover our prep times. All part and parcel with having a cushy middle class job like teaching.
At one stage I used to dig ditches and haul concrete for a living, THAT was work  Preparing for classes is a treat  |
We are entitled to overtime. Who cares what ditch diggers have to endure? I got a degree so I dont have to dig ditches. |
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The Hierophant
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| Hyeon Een wrote: |
Teaching 24 hours a week is not the same as working 24 hours a week. People need to spend time preparing lessons. For some classes this can take a long time if you are a conscientious teacher. For example I spend more than an hour preparing for my university 50minute classes.
Although I only have 20 hours of classes a week, if I was doing 24 I would definitely be wanting my overtime pay; I would have earned it. |
All right, we differ in our opinions then. I think our total yearly salaries cover our prep times. All part and parcel with having a cushy middle class job like teaching.
At one stage I used to dig ditches and haul concrete for a living, THAT was work Preparing for classes is a treat |
We are entitled to overtime. Who cares what ditch diggers have to endure? I got a degree so I dont have to dig ditches. |
Firstly, I care what workers have to endure.
Secondly, regardless of whether or not your contract says you are entitled for overtime, you certainly don't deserve it judging by your attitude.
24 hours work is nothing. Do you have any idea the hours that the majority of the world's population have to work, and the money they have to live off? ESL Teachers like us are so lucky with our lot it's almost obscene.
Bah! I have better things to do than rail at spoilt, greedy people. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly, I care what workers have to endure.
Secondly, regardless of whether or not your contract says you are entitled for overtime, you certainly don't deserve it judging by your attitude.
24 hours work is nothing. Do you have any idea the hours that the majority of the world's population have to work, and the money they have to live off? ESL Teachers like us are so lucky with our lot it's almost obscene.
Bah! I have better things to do than rail at spoilt, greedy people. |
1. So do I. Yet I am not bound to the same conditions as they are. Why should I measure my situation against a laborer?
2. Atitude? Since when does attitude matter? If I am working more than the contracted hours and if I am able to claim overtime based on contractual conditions, then I can be the biggest jerk in the world. But I still deserve overtime. End of story. Contracts apply to everyone, not just nice people.
3. I really dont know how what hours others work applies here. If I am working ovrtime then I deserve overtime payment. I will judge my conditions against those of my peers. If I work at a Univeristy and all other uni teachers get overtime after 10 hours of weekly work, then thats what I will look for. I will not say "my colleagues work 10 hours, get overtime on the extra work and earn 2.5 million a month, but some poor workers in Bangladesh make do on 3 dolars a week and work 100 hours in heat and flood, so I will just forget what I am entitled to". Dude, get real.
And what is it with the "greedy" thing? Some of us have responsibilities. families to support. We do extra work so that we may provide for our families. We dont do extra work from the goodness of our hearts. If extra work is done, money should be paid. Its that simple. The world doesnt run on pie in the sky and nice feelings, it runs on money. I am greedy. I admit it. I want to make more money. Why should I be ashamed of that? |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
Firstly, I care what workers have to endure.
Secondly, regardless of whether or not your contract says you are entitled for overtime, you certainly don't deserve it judging by your attitude.
24 hours work is nothing. Do you have any idea the hours that the majority of the world's population have to work, and the money they have to live off? ESL Teachers like us are so lucky with our lot it's almost obscene.
Bah! I have better things to do than rail at spoilt, greedy people. |
1. So do I. Yet I am not bound to the same conditions as they are. Why should I measure my situation against a laborer?
2. Atitude? Since when does attitude matter? If I am working more than the contracted hours and if I am able to claim overtime based on contractual conditions, then I can be the biggest jerk in the world. But I still deserve overtime. End of story. Contracts apply to everyone, not just nice people.
3. I really dont know how what hours others work applies here. If I am working ovrtime then I deserve overtime payment. I will judge my conditions against those of my peers. If I work at a Univeristy and all other uni teachers get overtime after 10 hours of weekly work, then thats what I will look for. I will not say "my colleagues work 10 hours, get overtime on the extra work and earn 2.5 million a month, but some poor workers in Bangladesh make do on 3 dolars a week and work 100 hours in heat and flood, so I will just forget what I am entitled to". Dude, get real.
And what is it with the "greedy" thing? Some of us have responsibilities. families to support. We do extra work so that we may provide for our families. We dont do extra work from the goodness of our hearts. If extra work is done, money should be paid. Its that simple. The world doesnt run on pie in the sky and nice feelings, it runs on money. I am greedy. I admit it. I want to make more money. Why should I be ashamed of that? |
Couldn't agree more, Jinju. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Funny. Try and tell a prof. in N. American that they'll be teaching 24 contact hours. You wouldn't get an applicant. The MAX being taught is by adjunct staff, and they are teaching 12 hours.
24 hours is a lot to teach at the university level, double, actually, than what you should be teaching. Another thing that you have to consider is that you are taking on the responsiblitiy of educating students on behalf of the university; you are their reputation. Also, one must figure in prep time and admin. duties. For some, such as myself, time to work on publishable papers is also important, not only to me personally, but for the school and the department. It all matters.
Ever wonder why education administrators make so much? It's not because they work harder or longer, it's because of the responsibility they undertake as part of their positions. |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is kinda dumb. Most university will let you go after the required month of notice. How hard is it for a uni to find a new teacher?
Most people in Korea working at a dreaded hagwon would kill for a uni gig.
Even find a replacement for yourself. You might be able to leave immediately.
And I also totally agree with Jinju.
I just got more hours. More overtime=more money
I'm greedy too. |
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Cherry Ripe
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: Uni Hours Etc |
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I think if an institution makes promises then it should fulfil them. It doesn't matter about the number of hours, whether it's 12 or 24 or 50. What matters is whether the initial agreement arranged between the employer and employee is being honored.
Other matters at any level may involve living conditions eg. if you're promised furniture and you don't get any or a computer for your office and you're not given one. Since these problems seem to be endemic in Korea the question becomes how to resolve them. Sometimes just asking your employer doesn't get you anywhere. And, if you've been in Korea for any length of time, having to deal with these issues on top of starting a new job (the two usually go hand in hand) can just get too much. The bottom line is what tactics are you going to resort to to get what you deserve? Stop work? Complain loudly? Perhaps just appeal to their sense of humanity (if they have one)?
I can quite understand that sometimes it becomes tiresome to the nth degree and you just want to kcuf the whole thing off. Depends if you want to stay in Korea or not. However, as a veteran of a midnight run, I can say that it is something that you don't forget. I still feel guilty about it no matter how justified I was about doing it. |
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