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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: Inspiring Love Story or Pathetic Loser? |
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Is it lame to date a girl who barely speaks English?
The other day, I was thought of a post that I read in Dave's long ago about a guy who spoke almost no korean who was dating a girl with almost no english skills. I can't find the thread, but the gist of it was that the guy said that he and his girlfriend spoke an incredibly basic pidgin english along with a lot hand gestures and stuff. And it got me thinking. Is this an example of love conquering the language barrier? Or is this some lame retard who can't get a woman who speaks his own language? Is this a guy whose respect for, or ability to communicate with, women is so low that he doesn't need a girl who can speak his language? I mean, don't people just REQUIRE some level of deep communication? Or can you get by on hugs and kisses and fairy dust?
I think that white guy/korean girl relationships get a bad rap, and frankly, I can see why. I mean, there are too many times when I've seen a guy on a date with a korean girl in a restaurant going, "I really like soccer. Soc-cer. Do you know soccer? When you kick (makes kicking motion) the ball (makes circle with hands), you know?" and then the girl goes "ahhh! ok! ok! I know soccer." and giggles and I realize she can barely put 2 words together and I just shake my head and think, "Man, there is no level this dude won't stoop to so that he can just hang out with a pretty girl."
but...i dunno...am i wrong? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Inspiring Love Story or Pathetic Loser? |
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billybrobby wrote: |
Is it lame to date a girl who barely speaks English?
The other day, I was thought of a post that I read in Dave's long ago about a guy who spoke almost no korean who was dating a girl with almost no english skills. I can't find the thread, but the gist of it was that the guy said that he and his girlfriend spoke an incredibly basic pidgin english along with a lot hand gestures and stuff. And it got me thinking. Is this an example of love conquering the language barrier? Or is this some lame retard who can't get a woman who speaks his own language? Is this a guy whose respect for, or ability to communicate with, women is so low that he doesn't need a girl who can speak his language? I mean, don't people just REQUIRE some level of deep communication? Or can you get by on hugs and kisses and fairy dust?
I think that white guy/korean girl relationships get a bad rap, and frankly, I can see why. I mean, there are too many times when I've seen a guy on a date with a korean girl in a restaurant going, "I really like soccer. Soc-cer. Do you know soccer? When you kick (makes kicking motion) the ball (makes circle with hands), you know?" and then the girl goes "ahhh! ok! ok! I know soccer." and giggles and I realize she can barely put 2 words together and I just shake my head and think, "Man, there is no level this dude won't stoop to so that he can just hang out with a pretty girl."
but...i dunno...am i wrong? |
Making dates out of it is stupid, but if it's just a sexual thing (and both parties know that) there is no problem. I don't do that as I like some kind of meaning to my relationships, but I don't look down upon it either.
The kind of guy you are describing tends to be a loser, but some people are put on blind dates and are stuck on the date no matter what the English level. Can't always judge a person just by the cover. If you are talking about someone you know who always does it, fine. But if you just saw him in a restaurant with her, there are a lot of reasons they might be there. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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He might be a fairly normal non-loser guy who just really fancies this girl despite the language difficulties. I've been there (not in Korea though and I was a lot younger). |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm seriously fighting the urge to post a hilarous, yet incredibly crass comment here.
How tolerant are the mods here of that kind of stuff? I don't want to get booted off the board after only a week, and from what I've heard the PC police are like the Gestapo in this mother. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's not weird. Generally in spite of the language barrier you can totally fall for somebody as soon as you realize something about them that just knocks your socks off. Say you're with two few Korean friends and there's another girl that doesn't know any English; the two go off to buy something and you're alone for a while and have to make conversation.
"So, what do you do?"
"Uh...I... brush."
"You brush?" (this girl seems really lame)
"Yes. Brush." (makes weird motion with hand)
"Oh."
Now the silence is awkward, and she realizes it so she says:
"Um...see."
Reaches into backpack, pulls out something like this:
"Oh, BRUSH!" (*beep* this girl seems cool now) |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think some people are more focussed on words than others. Obviously, some of us rely on our verbal abilities to impress others, and robbed of that opportunity, we feel at a loss. I imagine that some people focus more on body-language, acts of kindness, shared experiences, and don't mind using a dictionary as a stop-gap.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because I've known people who seem to have genuine connections despite the language barrier. I can't fathom it, personally, but I'll take their word for it. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know soccer? When you kick (makes kicking motion) the ball (makes circle with hands), you know?" and then the girl goes "ahhh! ok! ok! I know soccer." and giggles and I realize she can barely put 2 words together and I just shake my head and think, "Man, there is no level this dude won't stoop to so that he can just hang out with a pretty girl." |
I can't say wheher this guy is a loser or not seeing how I cannot see him for myself. But if he is a loser, put yourself in HIS shoes: who would YOU rather be seen with - a woman "worthy" of your ineptitude or a pretty girl like the one he was with? |
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numazawa

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, but who's to say? He could even be an inspiring loser in a pathetic love story...
As for me, I'm too much of a language-nut to be caught in linguistic limbo like that for long. However, being also a romantic sap and inveterate horndog, I can see the angles there, too. Where there's a will (or wood) there's a way.
And don't forget, to posterity we are all losers. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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In general, I'd say life is too short to worry much over other people's relationships.
Concern yourself with what you need to be happy in a relationship, but be careful not to project those needs onto others. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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xingyiman wrote: |
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Do you know soccer? When you kick (makes kicking motion) the ball (makes circle with hands), you know?" and then the girl goes "ahhh! ok! ok! I know soccer." and giggles and I realize she can barely put 2 words together and I just shake my head and think, "Man, there is no level this dude won't stoop to so that he can just hang out with a pretty girl." |
I can't say wheher this guy is a loser or not seeing how I cannot see him for myself. But if he is a loser, put yourself in HIS shoes: who would YOU rather be seen with - a woman "worthy" of your ineptitude or a pretty girl like the one he was with? |
Well, ideally, when you're choosing somebody to date, whether or not you want to be seen with them shouldn't be a big consideration.
Also, the question isn't about this specific guy. Or how pretty the girl is. It's about whether it's somehow crass or shallow to date somebody where there is a huge language barrier.
At any rate, I'd be very embarrassed to be seen speaking like a 2nd grader, and I was even impressed by the fact that the guy didn't skip a beat when I saw me sit down near him. I would've been like, "oh no, this other foreigner's gonna see right through me," but he didn't seem to care, so more power to him, I guess. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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At any rate, I'd be very embarrassed to be seen speaking like a 2nd grader, and I was even impressed by the fact that the guy didn't skip a beat when I saw me sit down near him. I would've been like, "oh no, this other foreigner's gonna see right through me," but he didn't seem to care, so more power to him, I guess. |
And then again, maybe this wasn't a "date" at all and just a casual meeting. I remember when I first got to Korea I went to Emart with one of my bosses friend' daughters. She was showing me the store and she didn't speak very good English and we sat sown in the food court and had such a conversation. No romantic connotations whatsoever. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: |
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xingyiman wrote: |
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At any rate, I'd be very embarrassed to be seen speaking like a 2nd grader, and I was even impressed by the fact that the guy didn't skip a beat when I saw me sit down near him. I would've been like, "oh no, this other foreigner's gonna see right through me," but he didn't seem to care, so more power to him, I guess. |
And then again, maybe this wasn't a "date" at all and just a casual meeting. I remember when I first got to Korea I went to Emart with one of my bosses friend' daughters. She was showing me the store and she didn't speak very good English and we sat sown in the food court and had such a conversation. No romantic connotations whatsoever. |
yeah yeah yeah, we've gone through that. it doesn't matter abou this particular guy. i was trying to clear that up but this horribly slow board made it take forever to edit my post. ah, why do i even try? |
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numazawa

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
i was trying to clear that up but this horribly slow board made it take forever to edit my post. ah, why do i even try? |
Aha, so it was you! Gumming up this tenuous, one-lane internet sliverband connection, while I was so rudely bumped offline again!
Really, doesn't this all make you nostalgic for the days of dial-up?
Now let's see if I can get this posted before sundown...
Here goes... >>>No, don't touch that knob, Johnny!>>>>>>>>>>>> |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: |
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It's about whether it's somehow crass or shallow to date somebody where there is a huge language barrier. |
That's a subjective point in my opinion. That guy may have never been able to get a girl that pretty to go out with him in his whole life. In HIS eyes he may have just hit the jackpot and any existing language barriers are not at the forefront of concern. Whereas you and I might look at him and think "Man what a loser...(insert applicable stereotype...we all do it)". In the end t really doesn't matter what you and I think if that dude is happy then let it be. |
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