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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Is English that irritating? |
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I've read other posters remarks on this board that they have been shushed (or given dirty looks, etc.) for speaking English. I wonder why it's so irritating to some people. There's a lot of noise pollution in this country, and any given day on the subway, you'll have some loud, drunk people; people talking on their cells or audibly playing games on their cells, etc., etc.
Anyway, I was in a taxi with my co-workers, and we were having a normal conversation. The driver turned the radio up to drown us out, and gave us a hard time when we wanted to pay with a man won bill for the 3000 won ride (trust me, he had the change). Sure, maybe he was having a bad morning, but it's happened before, and as I watched the guy become more and more visibly upset, all I could blame it on was the use of English (and no, the conversation had absolutely nothing to do w/Korea or Korean people). Just wondering why some find it so irritating... |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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it probably wasn't the english; it was yelling and laughing really loud from the back seat. remember always: you are a guest in their house. thank you. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Let's put this up on the big board of complaints that I've never even remotely observed in my time here. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno, I just don't get where you're coming from here. I've never been shushed by a Korean and I find it almost hard to imagine. I mean, consider the fruit peddlers with their loud speakers blaring at 8 in the morning. If they rolled through the wrong street in America, there would be nothing left of their fruit truck but a busted megaphone, some banana peels, and a little adjosshi-shaped stain on the side of the road. Koreans, at least in Seoul, have superhigh tolerance for noise pollution.
On the other hand, I do find that speaking English in public places produces quite a reaction in Koreans. I hardly ever get stared at just walking down the street, but when I open my mouth, heads start to swivel. When I'm on the subway and I answer my phone with a big "hello?" sometimes it seems like everyone around me turns to take a look. But not a dirty look, really, just mild curiosity. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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kangnam mafioso wrote: |
it probably wasn't the english; it was yelling and laughing really loud from the back seat. remember always: you are a guest in their house. thank you. |
Again, I said we were speaking normally.
Next, I have lived here for 5 years, and I do behave more politely here than at home (I'm polite at home, too!). Funny, I wonder if immigrants back home try to behave as guests. Separate issue.
This was an isolated incident- I thought I clearly illustrated that in my OP. Maybe it wasn't the English that irritated the driver- maybe he was just irritated that he had passengers in his taxi, in general.
Funny, I was on the subway once, and every time I spoke to my husband, the haraboji sitting next to us would turn and look at me. I was embarrassed because I felt I was bothering or distracting him. I absolutely was not speaking loudly, and by the end of my (quite abbreviated) conversation, I was whispering to my husband so as not to bother the old guy.
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I'm concerned your in a taxi you mak as much noise as you want.
I sometimes get the weird out from people when I speak engish. It depends in my mood though. When I'm a bad mood I seem to see more stares and negative things about Korea, but when I'm in a good mood I don't as much. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Let's put this up on the big board of complaints that I've never even remotely observed in my time here. |
That's what I say to virtually every thread! |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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dunno, I just don't get where you're coming from here. I've never been shushed by a Korean and I find it almost hard to imagine. |
I agree. Seems like everytime I am standing around talking to one of my Western buddies I've got at least 3 Koreans wanting to jump in and practice their English. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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xingyiman wrote: |
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dunno, I just don't get where you're coming from here. I've never been shushed by a Korean and I find it almost hard to imagine. |
I agree. Seems like everytime I am standing around talking to one of my Western buddies I've got at least 3 Koreans wanting to jump in and practice their English. |
Most people I encounter loathe to use English, and are visibly relieved when I use Korean. We must frequent quite different locales. |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Where's Homer when you need him?
I'm sure that he can explain why it was all your fault.
____________________
Where I've come to, everything is better.
Everyone is nice. There is no crime and no social problems of any kind.
In fact, I've come to a little place called Korea and I consider anyone who criticises it in any way, ever, to be here as a missionary to show these natives the light.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I can't imagine any of the way-gook sarams I have known in my time in Korea being loud and obnoxious in public. It just couldn't happen. But then, I only hang out with models of decorum. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Christ, for the 3rd time, we were speaking normally. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Most people I encounter loathe to use English, and are visibly relieved when I use Korean. We must frequent quite different locales. |
I tend to stay away from expat hangouts. I like to go deeper into the Korean habitat - Korean clubs, restaurants, soju bangs etc....Most of the places you'll find me there are few if any other Westerners. |
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krats1976

Joined: 14 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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periwinkle wrote: |
Christ, for the 3rd time, we were speaking normally. |
I believe you. I've had it happen a couple of times myself when I'm having a normal conversation with another foreigner in a taxi. I figure those taxi drivers are the ones who, if you spoke their language, would talk your ear off the entire trip and they're annoyed at being left out of the conversation.
Something like that. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Two incidents that stuck out the most for me were:
1. My (K)girlfriend and I were in a western shop eating a snack when some old man nearby asked my girlfriend if we would not use English next to him.
2. I was riding a bus with a Canadian friend, and we were sitting in the seats near the bus driver. Now, this friend of mine and I were VERY quiet and serious speakers as it was most of the time, but nonetheless, the bus driver told us to be quiet.
Both times I felt like I was in 2nd grade again because old people were telling me to shut up for no apparent reason.
I didn't do anything at the time, but I cursed their very names and lives, so they may not be around anymore. |
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