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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I paid 50,000 from Seoul Station to the airport- including toll, on the meter. It's high- but it took over an hour! Try that in the U.S.! An hour ride in a taxi would be much more, and the gas is less than half the cost there than it is here.
Seoul is not Hanoi- the cost of living is Western, and people have to make a living. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
| I paid 50,000 from Seoul Station to the airport- including toll, on the meter. It's high- but it took over an hour! Try that in the U.S.! An hour ride in a taxi would be much more |
Right. In the West, taking taxis all day or renting a car is right up there with hotel bills. Pricy. But here it's more on the order of meal expenses. Still cheap, thankfully.
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| Seoul is not Hanoi- the cost of living is Western, and people have to make a living. |
Increasingly, annoyingly so. Supposedly market & import liberalisation was going to make everything (most things) cheaper. To some degree it has, but it often seems to have merely broadened the selection in particular areas without any meaningful reduction in prices. And then with the explosive wage inflation Koreans have "enjoyed", we're all supposed to agree that 8,000 won for a bowl of kalbi-tang at any old ho-hum, utterly unremarkable hanshiktang is now reasonable.
"People have to make a living"... Can't argue with you there, Desultude. But at the same time, though I frequently spend much more, there's a sense -- an unreasonable, crass, petulant sense -- in which I don't consider any restaurant in Korea (outside those in deluxe Western hotels) to have the friggin' right to charge me over 10,000 won for a meal. Any meal. Koreans climbed into this high-cost, high-wage box of theirs, and now they want to take a bit out of my ass for it. Screw 'em, I say! Grrrr!! (Hey, I told you it was unreasonable! And it's doubly unreasonable, since I can so much more easily afford things now than used to be the case.)
Anyway, I'd gladly trade all the TGI Fridays and the Costcos and the BMWs (even BMW bikes ) for a return to those happy days of yesteryear... when cab drivers earning under 1 mil./month would ask my salary and express amazement that it wasn't between 5 & 10 million won -- because that's what they considered acceptable, right and proper for Western expats living in Korea. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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I got his card, thanx.
And as for racisim that came in when I handed him the 22,000 and he threw a fit and started to say ooooo... tisk tisk... US US US.... like my being American had anything to do with my not wanting to pay the whole 90,000 for a 20 minute taxi ride!
The lying came in when the information booth guy told me that the taxi drivers amount was a "good deal".
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Butterfly, sorry for your OWN feelings of being ripped off but on the other hand, don't buy it. Jongnoguru and others are right to "rip" into you. Not only do taxi drivers have to make a living BUT right infront of the taxi stand is a HUGE sign stating the price to wherever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe last time I checked, Airport to City Hall was 46,000 won. I am glad you got his card, send him the money you owe him!!! His kids will thank you for it.
As an aside, I got into Taiwan a few weeks ago on the red eye. No buses. Shady cab drivers asking to take me downtown (about the same distance as Incheon to Seoul). My choice was the high price (talked him down 15%) or sleeping on the couch at the airport (couldn't, had a race in 2 days and it wouldn't help my performance). So I bit the bullet and paid 1,100 Taiwan dollars - surprise surprise about 45 bucks. Nice guy , showed me his kids pics. I then went to my 300 dollar - 10 dollar hostel room and slept like a baby.........
Also last week, in a hurry , caught a cab to the Hyatt at the airport (about 3oom away). 10,ooo won. Ripped off!!!!!!!!! But my own fault, I got in the taxi.
DD
PS. by the way, gopher - gypsyfish wins........you are just sooooo petty with the central american "cow poo". |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Not only do taxi drivers have to make a living BUT right infront of the taxi stand is a HUGE sign stating the price to wherever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Oups..guess you missed that one in your anger at being back in the land of racism and lies...
Then again you seem to come from the land of "What? where? How?"
Guess you missed the obvious....that sign was not big enough perhaps...  |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Cite as many encyclopedias or web pages as you like, then. It just tells me that you don't know what you're talking about. When you cited "Latin" and "South" American students, you made about as much sense as the woman I spoke with in a seminar once who made some arrogant statement or another about "4/4 Waltz time." |
But the fact is, you understood exactly what the poster meant, and are simply being a putz. Get out of the tower; your head is getting pointy. And pointless. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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To the OP:
You're an American right? Think to yourself, "What would Chuck Norris do?", and the solution is simple... roundhouse kick the guy so hard he pays you for the privledge of driving you home and then offers you a tip.
Chuck Norris has never paid cab fare. Never. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Re: welcome back - lies and racisim |
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I arrived back to Korea last night The guy said what I thought was 17,000 won to Seoul..
He throws a fit! 17, he says, 17.... I say do you mean 70!
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You arrived at night. Taxis are more expensive at night!
17000W from the airport into Seoul???? You've got to be kidding,right?
Dude- the taxi fare from the airport into the centre of seoul, in daytime is about 45.000won-I know i've done it. The guy who said 10.000 was winding you up. At night this price goes up! |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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This is a case of someone wanting to believe something they think they heard (i.e. 17 000 won fare) and then balking when that fantasy does not pan out....
The evidence is too obvious...
a) The guy is coming back to Korea and hence knows the score as far as fares are concerned.
b) Inchon airport has a big sign next to the taxi stands (unless they moved it) that states typical fares. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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(The OP is a girl not a guy, correct? Not that it matters, but I'm confused with everyone saying "dude" and "guy" now.)
Yeah, it seems impossible that anyone could think 17,000 won will get them anywhere NEAR Seoul by taxi from Incheon Int'l. But consider these hypotheticals, which may be far-fetched but are not wholly unimaginable.
Let's say a foreigner doesn't live in Seoul, never lived in Seoul, never visited Seoul except by bus or train from the provinces. They live and work in the provinces. They had no cause to take a taxi from Incheon to Seoul or from Seoul to Incheon before.
How did they get to their job from the airport the first time? Their employer drove them, they took a bus, whatever. They didn't travel via Seoul.
Taxis? Rarely used them. They got around on foot, public transport, bike, motor-scooter.
They've come up to Seoul a few times, but always by bus or train, and once here they use the subway to get around.
Now, this same foreigner returns to Korea, flies into Incheon late at night and for their first time ever goes directly to Seoul. Also for the first time ever, by taxi. How long a trip is it, how many km, how many minutes, they're not sure never having made the trip before.
It's late, they're groggy, fatigued, it's not especially bright down on the Arrivals Floor kerbside. No more bus service, everyone's scrambling for cabs.
Now, the Guru regularly takes taxis in from the airport, day or night, but I've never thought to look for some board with fares to various cities posted on it. I think it's a good idea, but I don't need it, can't say I've noticed it, and would only ever look for it in the future because it was mentioned on this thread.
That's me, though, not our hypothetical foreigner, who rarely takes taxis and has never travelled from Incheon to Seoul before. Or if they have, it was daytime and they took the airport express bus for 8,000 won or whatever the fare is now.
So before they notice that board with the estimated fares (it's night, they're still finding their land-legs, probably hoisting a pile of luggage with both hands) some cabbie hops us and tells them (apparently) 17,000 won... They think that sounds rather low, so they ask him to confirm. (and apparently someone else there as well) "17,000 won?"
... And there the saga begins.
But even still, even if we assume all of the above, I have to say that taking a taxi at an airport in a foreign country late at night... That's the most classic, textbook "watch your ass!" scenario going.
Pad & pencil time.
"17,000?" "70,000?" "Point to one".
Though I'm sure that each and every one of us expert, professional, experienced, seasoned world-travellers has our own tales of woe to relate. Honestly, is there even one among us who has never been swindled by a disciple of sharp practise? The Guru himself enjoys the distinction of having been rooked to a fare-thee-well by various flimflam artists and thimble-riggers on three continents and counting. Fodder for another thread. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Guru,
Everything you say could be an explanation except for the fact that the OP said in her first post:
'Give me a freakin break. I told him the misunderstanding then offered the 40 that it really takes from airport to Seoul, plus 20 for toll... he threw my money and started going off on the USA!'
This shows me that she knew W17,000 was unreasonable.
Your pen and paper suggestion is always a good idea in these situations.
It seems to me that this horse has been beaten to death and it's time to drive a stake through it heart (to mix my metaphores). |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| It seems to me that this horse has been beaten to death and it's time to drive a stake through it heart (to mix my metaphores). |
I couldn't agree more. Stick a fork in this one.  |
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