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triviality
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: Conversation clubs in Pusan? |
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I've lived in Japan before, and friends of mine there worked at conversation clubs--bars where business men go and pay a lot of money per hour to chat with the girls who work there. They also had foreign versions for English conversation. Do those exist in Korea, and if so does anybody know how to go about getting a job there? How shady is it? What sort of visa would that be? I'm not there yet, but I'll be moving to Pusan shortly to live with my boyfriend who has a job at a hagwon, and I don't have a college degree. Thanks. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think I understand what you are asking.
It sounds like you are asking about being a bar girl who gets paid for speaking English. Is that in addition to, or instead of the sex?
If that is right, I think you need an entertainment visa. I don't know the exact designation. |
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triviality
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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That would be instead of. They're pretty popular in Japan. I wouldn't mind being an escort if I were single, but my boyfriend would probably have a problem with it.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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There is no reasoning with irrational boyfriends.
PS: It's probably a good thing you are thinking about 'instead of' rather than in 'addition to'. Many of the Russian girls who do that kind of work do speak English. They don't get paid extra for moaning in English, as far as I know.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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The kind of club you are talking about are not common here. I heard of one or two up in Seoul some time ago, but definitely not common. No one on this board in my memory has discussed working in that kind of place. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Ancient Greece
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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English conversation clubs/rooms are for people who want to speak/practice their English with a native-speaker, not for dirty old men looking for a Russian/Filipina etc for casual sex. I think you're getting confused with the hostess clubs that abound in Japan and probably here too. |
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triviality
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, hostess clubs, though the vast majority of my friends' customers seemed to be businessmen. Thus, drinking and flirting and laughing at their jokes is involved, but nothing beyond that. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Ancient Greece
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I used to live in Japan and I had students who were businessmen telling me all about their escapdes with Russian/Filipina hostesses and how they used to buy them a ton of jewellry to get them into bed etc...pretty lame if you ask me. There was a big story of an English girl who was killed while hostessing in Japan a few years back too. Watch your back. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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triviality wrote: |
Yes, hostess clubs, though the vast majority of my friends' customers seemed to be businessmen. Thus, drinking and flirting and laughing at their jokes is involved, but nothing beyond that. |
sounds pathetic. For the men and the women involved. |
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triviality
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Is it pathetic to make do with the skills you have? Are people who sell sex pathetic because they have an alternative conception of self-worth? Everybody sells themself if they have a job, and everybody compromises their integrity to varying extents in order to keep said job. What's wrong with being upfront about it, and getting paid a decent amount for doing comparitively little? |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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triviality wrote: |
Is it pathetic to make do with the skills you have? Are people who sell sex pathetic because they have an alternative conception of self-worth? Everybody sells themself if they have a job, and everybody compromises their integrity to varying extents in order to keep said job. |
appropriate username |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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triviality wrote: |
Is it pathetic to make do with the skills you have? Are people who sell sex pathetic because they have an alternative conception of self-worth? Everybody sells themself if they have a job, and everybody compromises their integrity to varying extents in order to keep said job. What's wrong with being upfront about it, and getting paid a decent amount for doing comparitively little? |
Yes. Because WHAT skills are you talking about? Playing up your sexuality? Pretty much every woman has that, um, skill. Sorry, but spreading your legs is not a skill. People who sell sex for money to disgusting old sweaty and MARRIED (usually the case with these older businessmen) men they dont know at all on any level other than the boinkin one, are truly and deeply pathetic. The word *beep* (rhymes with chore) is very much an accurate description of such people. I dont bend over and take it for my job. I come to work, I teach, I go home to my wife. Exactly where do I sell MYSELF? I sell my skills as a teacher and thats all I sell. |
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triviality
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, but spreading your legs is not a skill.
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Apparently every single one of your sexual experiences with women have been exactly the same. There is no qualitative difference WHATSOEVER depending on physical skill or dexterity, right? Life is nothing but a succession of dumb bitches spreading their legs for the all-important man, apparently.
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People who sell sex for money to disgusting old sweaty and MARRIED (usually the case with these older businessmen) men they dont know at all on any level other than the boinkin one, are truly and deeply pathetic. |
But if you picked up some girl at a bar that you barely knew, that wouldn't be pathetic at all, right? It's not pathetic because there's no money involved and you get laid in the end, right?
Does it get lonely up there in your white ivory tower? People take jobs out of economic necessity, and some people become sex workers because they have to. Others do it for the feeling of empowerment--with a little bit of theatrics and physical work, you can make a decent living off of selling sex, if you're good. Quite frankly, I consider people who prostitute their bodies much more "reputable" and respectable than people who prostitute everything else about themselves to keep their normal 9-to-5s. Of course this could devolve into a discussion regarding the injustices of capitalism, which could take all week.
Also, what is your perception of male prostitutes? What is your perception of promiscuous women? Promiscuous men? Take all of these into account and compare them to your opinion of female sex workers. I bet there's a double standard in there somewhere.
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I dont bend over and take it for my job. I bet you enjoy it tho. |
Quite frankly, I bet you do "bend over and take it" for your job. That's the inherent nature of most jobs. I won't even going to debate why I might not "enjoy it" as that comment reeks of misogyny. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently every single one of your sexual experiences with women have been exactly the same. There is no qualitative difference WHATSOEVER depending on physical skill or dexterity, right? Life is nothing but a succession of dumb *beep* spreading their legs for the all-important man, apparently. |
I was right, you are pathetic. Again, spreading your legs is not a skill. Period, end of story. Its not a skill in the same way teaching, photography, writing, etc are. Giving it up is something not only hmans but animals do. Even the lowly pig has the same "skill" as this. Its just done in a different physical orientation.
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But if you picked up some girl at a bar that you barely knew, that wouldn't be pathetic at all, right? It's not pathetic because there's no money involved and you get laid in the end, right? |
Bingo. No money is exchanged. She makes a decision to sleep with me based on how she likes ME, not my wallet.
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Does it get lonely up there in your white ivory tower? |
Tell me about the whorehouse.
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People take jobs out of economic necessity, and some people become sex workers because they have to. Others do it for the feeling of empowerment--with a little bit of theatrics and physical work, you can make a decent living off of selling sex, if you're good |
Give me a break. a 50 year ol ddrunk ajossi will go for anything, good or not. Dont overestimate the value of "skill".
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Quite frankly, I consider people who prostitute their bodies much more "reputable" and respectable than people who prostitute everything else about themselves to keep their normal 9-to-5s. Of course this could devolve into a discussion regarding the injustices of capitalism, which could take all week. |
Yeah, because prostitutes ONLY prostitute their bodies. Right? Thats why prostitution is such a great career track. Years of use and when yer used up, its off to the cheap brothels where only the truly desperate will touch you. Yeah, that seems REALLY reputable. And a really satisfying career choice. |
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triviality
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
I was right, you are pathetic. |
I wish you didn't have to be so juvenile as to resort to namecalling, but okay. You've yet to specify why exactly I'm pathetic.
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Again, spreading your legs is not a skill. Period, end of story. Its not a skill in the same way teaching, photography, writing, etc are. |
Yet all of these things you mention have been commodified and you can get paid for these services, the same as sex.
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Giving it up is something not only hmans but animals do. Even the lowly pig has the same "skill" as this. Its just done in a different physical orientation. |
You haven't really said anything beyond the reasons prostitution exists in the first place. Humans are animals, and animals are programmed to reproduce. This is reinforced by the fact that sex is pleasurable and an important facet of life for animals of reproductive age. When sex is denied by normal channels, people seek to quell their urges by other means. It's not rocket science.
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Bingo. No money is exchanged. She makes a decision to sleep with me based on how she likes ME, not my wallet.
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Uhhhh, yeah. That's the difference between prostitution and just sleeping with people. You have yet to offer specifically why the transaction of money is inherently bad. Good detective work, Ace!
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Tell me about the whorehouse.
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Actually, I'm not a sex worker and have never sold sex for money. I'm just saying that people become prostitutes for a variety of reasons, and to pass judgment on them immediately reflects a certain amount of ignorance about how difficult life can be. And just because a woman refuses to immediately feel exploited or ashamed because her job is perceived as "bad" doesn't mean she's pathetic or wrong. To say that selling sex is "pathetic" under any circumstances is just absolutely ridiculous, not to mention breathtakingly naieve and misogynistic.
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Give me a break. a 50 year ol ddrunk ajossi will go for anything, good or not. Dont overestimate the value of "skill".
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So first there's no skill involved, and now there's marginal skill? Which is it?
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Years of use and when yer used up, its off to the cheap brothels where only the truly desperate will touch you. Yeah, that seems REALLY reputable. And a really satisfying career choice. |
I'm not discussing public perception here. I'm discussing the objective legitimacy of sex work. Yes, we all know that "*beep*" is considered a derogatory term and prostitutes are often looked down upon. That's not what's being debated; we're debating the actuality, in logical terms.
In general I find it difficult to believe that someone can be open-minded enough to move to a completely different country and accept a new variety of customs and cultural attitudes, but be so incredibly closeminded about what people choose to do with their bodies, on their terms. |
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