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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: What do you do with...? Reply with quote

students whose English is far superior to their classmates? I had a student ask me today to teach her something other than "Hi. What's your name?" She spent 2 years in the States and her English is quite impressive. She is not the only student that I've noticed with great English skills either. I work at an elementary school and I am currently using the government issue textbooks. Any advice, questions or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Alyson
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk to them outside class?

Does your elementary school have a cafeteria? I sometimes have lunch or dinner with some of my more fluent HS students, or use them to translate something more difficult in class.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the time and energy, you might work up a reading program for her to do. Find age appropriate material for reading and writing assignments.

In class, I'd use her as the go-to person to give directions for games in Korean after you have given the English directions. Use her for your partner when there are odd numbers of students for pair work, expanding the dialog with her.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just spend a little extra time and if you hand out a worksheet, give her a different one more to her liking.

That's the problem with Korea. they are not allowed to seperate students on level. If they do the parents complain cause their kid is in the lower class. I hate having kids who don't care and never try mixed in with idiots ( and they are fuktards) mixed in with some of the brightest kids you'll meet.

So anoying.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do. Maybe you could get the school to make another class." Then you get OT for it.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An update of sorts.

There will be two extra classes set up to address the problem I mentioned before. One class is for "Middle" level and the other for "High" level. i get overtime for the classes and I also get to interview and choose who will be in what class. Hopefully the parents of kids who don't get in don't try to force their kids into the class. I'll keep my fingers cross. Thanks for your advice, suggestions and comments!

Alyson
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
An update of sorts.

There will be two extra classes set up to address the problem I mentioned before. One class is for "Middle" level and the other for "High" level. i get overtime for the classes and I also get to interview and choose who will be in what class. Hopefully the parents of kids who don't get in don't try to force their kids into the class. I'll keep my fingers cross. Thanks for your advice, suggestions and comments!

Alyson


Hi Alyson

I am glad your school is doing this. I have some really bright sparks who would really benefit from being in a class of their own Smile
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds cool, wish my school would go for that! Good luck and good efforts to reach those kids.....top and bottom, cream and curds........

You might want to try some computer workshops with these kids if your school has access....lots of good sites and it would stimulate them to work on their own. progress outside of class...I like www.englishspace.ort.org And you can monitor as the teacher. cool site.

Also unitedstreaming.com has great educational videos for students and would be really stimulating for kids who can speak more than rudimentary english.....

Again, good effort.

DD
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
That sounds cool, wish my school would go for that! Good luck and good efforts to reach those kids.....top and bottom, cream and curds........

You might want to try some computer workshops with these kids if your school has access....lots of good sites and it would stimulate them to work on their own. progress outside of class...I like www.englishspace.ort.org And you can monitor as the teacher. cool site.

Also unitedstreaming.com has great educational videos for students and would be really stimulating for kids who can speak more than rudimentary english.....

Again, good effort.

DD


I just checked out the englishspace site. I like it quite a lot and I will definitely look into getting access to the computer lab at school. Thanks so much!

Alyson
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations.

If you have a class with some higher levels and some low levels, you can't teach them separately unless they are in separate classes. Going out of you way and making extra work for yourself for the higher level students with no extra pay is just not smart. Some suggested this, but they should've thought twice about their suggestions.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Congratulations.

If you have a class with some higher levels and some low levels, you can't teach them separately unless they are in separate classes. Going out of you way and making extra work for yourself for the higher level students with no extra pay is just not smart. Some suggested this, but they should've thought twice about their suggestions.



WtF??? What the hell? I can't imagine any teach who is actually employed in the profession for reasons other than "cover my ass and get a paycheck", taking your comments seriously.

We / teachers are there to help students. You do this whatever way works!!!! (within ethical bounds). If that means teaching a split class (and it works). So be it. I use language stations and it really helps the ones who are more advanced and also those lower. Group according to ability, or group with a lead student.

I use all the materials in the plastic boxes plus other things of my own making (students love the wall of words --- graffitti place) to scatter around the classroom and make stations with . Ex. Put the months there and list the question, "When is _____birthday?" they take turns asking/answering... Just one of many.

jacl -- were you just being a jackass or were you dead serious about your comment? I hope it is the former Smile

DD
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jacl



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I was serious. I guess I'm not as benevolent as you when it comes to teaching. Plus, the students lose out in the big class scenario. Especially so if you're splitting them up according to levels.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacl,

You often have good advice about negotiating, standing up for yourself wtih the boss, getting paid for working etc. And I support you in your view of big classes and small classes. Kids learn best with classes under 8 students (actually, I think the ideal class is even smaller). But, when it comes to the kids, don't you have a place in your heart to give a little?

I've taught a lot of free special classes to help kids that were behind their class or to help bright, hardworking kids get ahead to join higher classes. Actually, over the years, at least 500 hours. Some were too poor to pay extra, others I thought were already paying enough to their various hogwans. Helping the kids makes me happy and I think that's more important than getting extra cash for everything I do.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Jacl,

I've taught a lot of free special classes to help kids that were behind their class or to help bright, hardworking kids get ahead to join higher classes. Actually, over the years, at least 500 hours. Some were too poor to pay extra, others I thought were already paying enough to their various hogwans. Helping the kids makes me happy and I think that's more important than getting extra cash for everything I do.


This is madness. You are paid for your time to teach. It has been my experience that extra effort gains me nothing. I do the extra effort at times but I would never teach free classes. That is like hanging a sign around hooker that says "Free *uck".
You must understand that you will never get the recognition or the credit due to you. You will do this effort and then kids will still quit for no reason. The boss will still rape you at contract time...the mothers will still complain about anything they think is done wrong. Doing classes for nothing is a sure way to feel screwed over and depressed.

---Get your money for your time, people.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bellum99 wrote
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---Get your money for your time, people.


Shocked Bellum and I totally agree on something Laughing

Its a nice thing to do to help out students and "donate" your time.

I did several extra things for the last hogwan I worked for(Halloween parties, pinata's, cooking classes, etc) and now I resent every single second I wasted to improve their business!
Appreciation: 0
Rewards:0
Feeling of being screwed over: 1000!
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