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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Korea v Corea Reply with quote

Can't get the search to work, so if this has been done before, sorry.

Corea vs Korea.
My kiddies are consistently telling me C. I know better and I know why they are saying it too (The Japanese turned it from C to K because of alphabetic order). When I got them to write it, one kid tried to do with a C, but I said English is my language, it's a K. They fell in line, but it was a tad annoying. Anyone else having trouble with this?

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I heard some people have been writing Japan with a Z instead of a J. Now I love Korea, but this is immature to the nth degree.
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Hotpants



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember watching the World Cup on TV and seeing lots of COREAs spelt out on flags. Perhaps the kids were influenced by that? I've heard kids come out with the strangest mis-representations of things they've 'heard' or 'seen' on TV.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Korea v Corea Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
(The Japanese turned it from C to K because of alphabetic order).


Negative. Widely believed in Korea, but false.
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the eye



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm surprised that they used the 'k' version on their world baseball classic uniforms...considering the rivalry with japan.
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kprrok



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that whole conspiracy theory about Japan wanting it to be Korea because of the alphabatizing. Japan doesn't even want their English name to be Japan, they want it to be Nippon. At least, that's what I remember reading. So either way, Korea would come first.

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kprrok



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that whole conspiracy theory about Japan wanting it to be Korea because of the alphabatizing. Japan doesn't even want their English name to be Japan, they want it to be Nippon. At least, that's what I remember reading. So either way, Korea would come first.

KPRROK
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: Korea v Corea Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
I heard some people have been writing Japan with a Z instead of a J.

Zapan -- cool name! Its possibly just a transliteration problem though -- initial j or z is interchangeable in hangeul & a Korean might also write Jimbabwe or Jambia.

Some folks spell America with a "k" to make a political point. "Amerika" of course is just the German spelling but it conjures up hints of Nazism.

Germans also spell Canada Kanada. The name Canada itself is a Frenchman's misspelling of "kanata," a native word for village. Heres some other names the country's founders considered:

Victorialand
Borealia
Cabotia
Tuponia (The United Provinces of North America)
Superior
Norland
Hochelaga

Superior, hmm. "Whats your nationality?" "I'm a Superman."

Then theres Chick Corea. Me & a friend were passing through San Diego in the mid-70s & looking for a cold beer one afternoon. Good tunes coming from a (locked) bar so we knocked on the door. It opens & some guy says "We're closed" but then relents & ushers us inside -- sole audience to Corea & his band going through some practice sets. Special memory! A gifted musician/composer.
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's probably a lot better things a person could be doing with precious class time than arguing with students about the spelling of the name of their own country.
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keithinkorea



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of Korean schoolteachers spend a lot of time teaching the kids communist nonsense such as Korea should be spelled with a C.

I've been told by students that their Korean schoolteachers have told them that Korea should be Corea, and that is the evil Japanese who have made it so. Stupid waste of time in school imho, it's is more accurate to use 'Gorea' than 'Corea', if you look at how they hangulise the word.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean line of logic is "well, it's not an urban legend. There's evidence!" "Okay where is the evidence?" "Japan is suppressing it."

Korea is still spelt with a C in French. So they're claiming the Japanese only tried to get Korea changed in what at the time was a language on par with Dutch, Spanish, or Portuguese. It's a colonial language but not the lingua franca. French at the time was the language of diplomacy.

So, it's was either highly prescient of the Japanese to foresee World War II, the rise of America, and English. Or it's just a stupid urban legend.

Kids are being run down in the street by Korean drivers, sex offenders are are being slapped on the wrist, men are beating their wives, Koreans are smoking and drinking themselves to the grave, and Koreans would rather have the government spend money changing over stationary instead of making their children safer...

My favorite one is the sex slave thing. Koreans want Japan to pay compensation. Sure, sounds fair 'n' all but the Japanese argue "but we did already. In the '70s we signed over low low interest development loans to Korea and in return the Korean government absolved us of having to pay compensation."

The Koreans have to stop hounding the Japanese and start hounding their own government for selling out their women for some shiny beads. You know? How many of Korea's independence leaders didn't die in poverty? How many of Korea's collaborators went on to becoming vastly rich forming chaebols? Seems to me the chaebols should take a look at their own history and pay compensation.
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Pak Yu Man



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually going over this with my class today.

"Do you like Japan"

They all yell "NO!!!!!!!!"

I ask them why. Then they say all that useless shiat about Dok Island.

So I asked them if they hated the Japanese in 2003. They said yes but they didn't know why.

Koreans need to grow up. Parents and teachers need to stop brainwashing their kids.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does have to do with national pride and coming first in alphabetical order, but it has nothing to do with what the Japanese did or did not do. It's Korean sensitivities that are behind it all. It was not discussed at all until just before the World Cup. Koreans didn't like seeing Japan listed first.

Blaming this on Japan is called projection.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
A lot of Korean schoolteachers spend a lot of time teaching the kids communist nonsense such as Korea should be spelled with a C.


While I agree with the nonsense part, I am truly baffled how it could be Communist. Care to explain?
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
The Korean line of logic is "well, it's not an urban legend. There's evidence!" "Okay where is the evidence?" "Japan is suppressing it."

Korea is still spelt with a C in French. So they're claiming the Japanese only tried to get Korea changed in what at the time was a language on par with Dutch, Spanish, or Portuguese. It's a colonial language but not the lingua franca. French at the time was the language of diplomacy.

So, it's was either highly prescient of the Japanese to foresee World War II, the rise of America, and English. Or it's just a stupid urban legend.

Kids are being run down in the street by Korean drivers, sex offenders are are being slapped on the wrist, men are beating their wives, Koreans are smoking and drinking themselves to the grave, and Koreans would rather have the government spend money changing over stationary instead of making their children safer...

My favorite one is the sex slave thing. Koreans want Japan to pay compensation. Sure, sounds fair 'n' all but the Japanese argue "but we did already. In the '70s we signed over low low interest development loans to Korea and in return the Korean government absolved us of having to pay compensation."

The Koreans have to stop hounding the Japanese and start hounding their own government for selling out their women for some shiny beads. You know? How many of Korea's independence leaders didn't die in poverty? How many of Korea's collaborators went on to becoming vastly rich forming chaebols? Seems to me the chaebols should take a look at their own history and pay compensation.

Corea was used by the Korean government, but so was Korea. There's evidence of this. Just have a look at the 50 Poon stamp.

1897 50 poon stamp


The Korean government used "Corean Post" on its stamps that were first issued in 1884-1885. Based on my research, it appears that it switched to using 'Korea' in 1895, 'Korean Imperial Post' in 1900, and then the French spelling in 1902-1903 ('Poste Impériale de Corée').

Update...Just found that Kushido has already discussed this in details in his blog.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:


Update...Just found that Kushido has already discussed this in details in his blog.


That's a great link.
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