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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Coulter on cartoons?
How about Coulter IN cartoons:
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know much about her, but criticizing Islam can never be racist cause Islam isn't a race. Perhaps in other columns she was racist, but in this one is was just correct. |
False logic. If I say that the Catholic Church is bad because its led by a bunch of greasy wops fronted by a stupid kraut, then that is a racist attack on a religion.
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Or, as I believe our motto should be after 9/11: Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about "camel jockey"? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy. Grow up, would you?
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Now if anyone wants to argue that "camel jockey" isn't a racial slur... |
I think you need to do some reading up on what constitutes false logic.
Islam isn't a race. Racism is a feeling or the expression of a feeling of racial inferiority or superiority. Islam isn't a race. Thus criticizing Islam isn't racism. Show me the false logic.
Of course, the camel jockey thing is slightly racist, but it is directed towards Arabs (not Islam), and thus can constitute racism. But, making a racial slur does not necessarily mean that one is a racist. Have you never told a joke of poor taste? |
If I have, I never thought so much of it as to have it published. Telling a joke in poor taste is much different than publishing it in a column for the world to see. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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You missed the point Mills.
Anyhow, we really need to stop labeling legitimiate cultural criticism as racism. It does not benefit anybody, especially the victims of real racism.
Islam is a cancer. The people who follow Islam are just brainwashed by a violent cult. Their racial makeup is totally separate of the nonsense that they have been told to believe. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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I wanted to say something in support of the last post, but its late. I'll just say I think what was said before should be self-evident. Even though we know that the kool-aid cup is only half-full for many of the adherents to the faith, the reality of what is happening goes beyond that.
What's it gonna take for things to change? Lying down and accepting the status quo isn't the answer. Cancer best describes the problem, and the original intent of "the message" is besides the point when the world is faced with the current incarnation of the REP. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| and the original intent of "the message" is besides the point when the world is faced with the current incarnation of the REP. |
I'm of the persuasion that the original intent of "the message" was an excuse for a nomadic and warlike desert people to build an empire, which they accomplished with brutal efficiency as soon as Mohammed showed them how. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Well, if you acknowledge that someone is a racist and still listen to what they have to say, then you are an imbecile. |
Huh? Perculiar logic. Why? |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Islam is a cancer. The people who follow Islam are just brainwashed by a violent cult. Their racial makeup is totally separate [from] the nonsense that they have been told to believe. |
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
- Thomas Jefferson
"I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
- Thomas Jefferson
"I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The impious presumption of legislators and and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time: That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical..."
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Right on Mills, I'm a big TJ fan myself. Given that I am a libertarian, I agree with much (though not all) of what he had to say. That being said, what the hell was the point of posting it?
If you want to compare the present day situation we have with islam to the past situation with christians I'm listening. But, I think you should pause a minute and consider the reality of what is happening on our ever-smaller world.
If it were Christians who are causing all this nonsense, and when they actually are, such comparisons and heavy criticism is needed. But, I think you should stop and consider just how we got here. Christanity was attacked, on all levels, from all sides, for all her utter nonsense. Even to this day, enlightened people sneer when the words "Jesus loves you" are uttered. The Christian story has all but been destroyed in our culture (and where it remains the problems and intolerance remain too), and it wasn't because thinking men tolerated them. Media, the arts, academia and others all criticised and exposed the lies. And those same people are today are either too scared, or too tolerant, to give islam the same treatment.
Islam needs to be hung out and beaten around by the finest minds in the world. The absurdities of the Koran, the lies of islamic history and, most importantly, the present day actions of muslims need to be criticized, ridiculed and stomped on. We do not need another holy war, and criticism will not cause one. Nor do we need a new religiosity dominating our lives.
This isn't about freedom of religious expression. They are free to sit around in their PJ's reading the Koran all they want.
This is about freedom FROM religious expression. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Islam needs to be hung out and beaten around by the finest minds in the world. The absurdities of the Koran, the lies of islamic history and, most importantly, the present day actions of muslims need to be criticized, ridiculed and stomped on. |
I s'pose i agree with this to an extent.
Of course, when you got the likes of Coulter and some cartoonists, it isn't REALLY lending THAT much creedence to the cause.
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Christanity was attacked, on all levels, from all sides, for all her utter nonsense. Even to this day, enlightened people sneer when the words "Jesus loves you" are uttered.
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people give a big "huh?" when they here the PBUH routine.
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The Christian story has all but been destroyed in our culture (and where it remains the problems and intolerance remain too), and it wasn't because thinking men tolerated them. |
but xtianity's ideas are still tolerated. MOST ideas in the West are tolerated....
I'm thinkin' perhaps you meant "unchallenged"? |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Right on Mills, I'm a big TJ fan myself. Given that I am a libertarian, I agree with much (though not all) of what he had to say. That being said, what the hell was the point of posting it?
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I was commenting on perspective. Your post led me to believe that you think all of Islam is bad, but Christianity is essentially good. Islam has not attacked us, a group of zealots has. Calling for the annihilation of an entire religion because of what a minority did or believes, is injudicious.
I, for one, am in favor of the obliteration of all religion. As John Adams said, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religions in it."
Am I foolish enough to call for the destruction of everyone who does not believe what I do? No.
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P.S. Some people believe Christianity is a cancer, a violent cult, and its followers have been brainwashed. That's all, just drawing a comparison. |
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