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ATTENTION: ALL Vegetarians and Vegans in/near Seoul!
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Dawn



Joined: 06 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: ATTENTION: ALL Vegetarians and Vegans in/near Seoul! Reply with quote

starbrightgirl wrote:
I'm a vegetarian and have recently been trying to go vegan, and finding it impossible.
Do you eat out a lot, or are you doing your own cooking?

I find it quite easy to be vegetarian here as long as I'm the one doing the cooking. (Restaurants are an entirely different matter ...) I shop at the outdoor market for fresh produce in season, hit Costco once a month for speciality items (asparagus, baby carrots, frozen fruit whenever they choose to stock it, etc.), buy organic greens and whole wheat flour at E-mart, and get chickpeas and lentils from a Middle Eastern supermarket.

Products that aren't readily available over here or that are outrageously priced, I buy online. The following sites ship internationally:

http://www.barryfarm.com
http://www.bobsredmill.com
http://www.veganessentials.com
http://www.veganstore.com
http://www.vitaminlife.com

The first two specialize in whole foods. I order dried fruit, spices, legumes and "novelty" grains (oats, bulgher, basmati, etc.) through them about once every three months. Both will ship by either air or surface mail, depending on whether speed or cost is your chief concern.

The second two sell absolutely nothing I would consider essential, but items that are nice to have on hand (vegetable broth, bath and beauty products, meat substitutes, LaraBars, chocolate, etc.). These ship via air mail only, so I try to limit purchases to lightweight items.

VitaminLife doesn't specialize in veg*n products, but does an array of veg-friendly vitamins, supplements, bath and beauty products (Kiss My Face, Jason, Aubrey Organics, Beauty Without Cruelty, Ecco Bella), etc. at prices considerably lower than the veg-speciality stores. This store ships via postal mail (slower, untrackable, but less likely to get intercepted by customs) and FedEx (fast and trackable, but be prepared to jump through hoops if the order plus postage totals more than $130, if you order more than five bottles of supplements, etc.). Most of the products I've ordered off this site are available in Seoul, but cost considerably more than online. For instance, Orga wanted over W60,000 for the same bottle of Vitamin C that I got for $7 + 4.50 shipping.
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joyfulgirl



Joined: 05 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, thanks, dawn. great websites.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being vegetarian in Korea means you're missing out on a lot of great food.

Here's a guide written by a friend of mine about useful vegetarian phrases. The picture is mine.

http://skunklabel.com/english/200510nomeat.html

And here are some more phrases and slogans for the militant vegan.

http://skunklabel.com/english/200511nomeat.html
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
I'm a vegetarian and I live in Anyang, if any of y'all want to eat with me.

Bellum99 wrote:
I have to ask....why? A nice regulated mixed diet with healthy amounts of exercise is the best thing for every single person. Radical diets and fads are useless for long term health benefits.


If you're so interested, why don't you start a thread about it rather than trying to hijack every one that comes up?


My posting is hijacking...perhaps you need an English teacher. Was my post not on the correct topic? I think you are exactly as your name says. My post was correctly placed in the correct thread. Grow up... I was not rude or insulting, I simply have a different view than you.
I am curious about why people would choose this form of eating style.
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Dawn



Joined: 06 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:

I am curious about why people would choose this form of eating style.

*debates whether to feed the troll*
Ok, I'll bite. Here's the short list, since it's almost time to leave for work.

Some of us choose "this form of eating" because we find the thought of chowing down on corpses gross, disgusting, and totally unappealing -- particularly dead corpses injected full of antibiotics and contaminated with fecal matter. Yes, a USDA study found that 99 percent of the broiler chickens sold in the U.S. had detectable levels of E. Coli. Mmmm. Chicken salad made from chicken poop.

Some of us don't consider stuffing our faces sufficient reason to torture and kill another sentinent being. So what if certain animals aren't particularly bright? I've met some pretty stupid people over the years as well, but don't go around slitting their throats or chopping their heads off ...

We recognize that raising animals for food consumes fast quantities of natural resources, and we simply cannot justify eating a pound of beef when we know it took seven pounds of grain and 7,000 pounds of water to produce.

We've heard of mad cow disease. We don't think it sounds like a fun way to die.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not one of the militant veg types. As a rule, I'm quite content to eat my food and let others eat theirs. But you had to go and ask the "Why?" question. Laughing
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red dog



Joined: 31 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: ATTENTION: ALL Vegetarians and Vegans in/near Seoul! Reply with quote

Dawn wrote:
starbrightgirl wrote:
I'm a vegetarian and have recently been trying to go vegan, and finding it impossible.
Do you eat out a lot, or are you doing your own cooking?

I find it quite easy to be vegetarian here as long as I'm the one doing the cooking. (Restaurants are an entirely different matter ...) I shop at the outdoor market for fresh produce in season, hit Costco once a month for speciality items (asparagus, baby carrots, frozen fruit whenever they choose to stock it, etc.), buy organic greens and whole wheat flour at E-mart, and get chickpeas and lentils from a Middle Eastern supermarket.

Products that aren't readily available over here or that are outrageously priced, I buy online. The following sites ship internationally:

http://www.barryfarm.com
http://www.bobsredmill.com
http://www.veganessentials.com
http://www.veganstore.com
http://www.vitaminlife.com

The first two specialize in whole foods. I order dried fruit, spices, legumes and "novelty" grains (oats, bulgher, basmati, etc.) through them about once every three months. Both will ship by either air or surface mail, depending on whether speed or cost is your chief concern.

The second two sell absolutely nothing I would consider essential, but items that are nice to have on hand (vegetable broth, bath and beauty products, meat substitutes, LaraBars, chocolate, etc.). These ship via air mail only, so I try to limit purchases to lightweight items.

VitaminLife doesn't specialize in veg*n products, but does an array of veg-friendly vitamins, supplements, bath and beauty products (Kiss My Face, Jason, Aubrey Organics, Beauty Without Cruelty, Ecco Bella), etc. at prices considerably lower than the veg-speciality stores. This store ships via postal mail (slower, untrackable, but less likely to get intercepted by customs) and FedEx (fast and trackable, but be prepared to jump through hoops if the order plus postage totals more than $130, if you order more than five bottles of supplements, etc.). Most of the products I've ordered off this site are available in Seoul, but cost considerably more than online. For instance, Orga wanted over W60,000 for the same bottle of Vitamin C that I got for $7 + 4.50 shipping.


Wow, this is amazing advice. I probably should have looked into mail-order shopping when I was in Korea ... although the one time I bought books from overseas, they took months to arrive.

One thing that really helped me when I was there was meeting some Korean veggies and attending some of their events. Unfortunately the language barrier made it hard for me to participate much, but if you ask your Korean co-workers to help you get in touch with some of the people at the following sites, you may meet some fun people and find more veg resources in Seoul. (And of course learning Korean would help a lot too.)

http://www.vegetus.or.kr/

http://www.vege.or.kr/

http://cafe.daum.net/vegetarian
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starbrightgirl



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: roar

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all so very much, the quick response is overwhelming and amazingly helpful. I'll be sure to check out those restaurants and sites. I plan to stop by the vegan bakery in Kangnam tomorrow.

Bellum: Dawn has touched on vegetarian stances already and I'd like to express my own(shared) reasons. I stopped eating redmeat after the mad cow epidemic and it stuck. Then moved on to chicken and pork as I found I no longer craved them. Soon after, I read a FDA warning on mercury/ toxic levels in fish and read literature on the methods involved with raising farmed fish. If I don't want to eat SPAM cause I don't know what's in it, if I don't want to eat KFC cause I don't know what those "chickens" have been injected with or what kind of hands it's been touched by, then I don't see how I can trust any other meat product. Aside from the humanitarian(world hunger etc), enviromental, and animal rights themes involved with vegetarianism, with all these diseases and health risks popping up everywhere (ie bird flue, e. coli, bovine hormone, skin allergies) why risk it if not necessary to sustain life. Also, I raise a pet and I see a huge grey area when it comes to arguing the difference between eating dogs, monkeys, cats vs cows, pigs, ducks etc. As for veganism, I believe the dairy industry is a direct source of the veal industry. Humans are the only mammals who drink milk post-infancy, why should calfs be slaughtered so humans can feast on its natural posession?. Here's a metaphor I like to use: If a person is willing to mock some parents for buying their babies 1,000 dollar Hermes baby shoes, because it is not necessary and a waste when so many people are starving in the world-- why should he/she feel it okay to eat meat(to sustain one pound of red meat, it must be supplied by 22 pounds of grain--do the math, how many people can survive off 1 lb of food vs 22lbs?) when it is not necessary. Is it okay to have farmers use up extra land, fertilizer, irrigation to feed cows(more than the natural number of them) instead of growing food that can be sold at a lower price to lower income people? In other words, eating meat is a luxury that can be paralleled to high-end apparel or any other such extravagant luxuries. I can see how throwing down $100 on a gold powder sprinkled cake once a year on your anniversary can make sense, but to get one everyday makes no sense: eating meat everyday makes no sense. So you see Bellum, rather than a fad-diet, my hope to become a vegan is my own way in contributing to my own moral responisibilities. Some decide to abandon wearing sweat-shop clothing, some do charity work, others write political literature to further awareness, more decide to recycle, etc; I've decided vegetarianism as one to tackle of the bunch. Hope this helps in some way and I sincerely urge you to check out some vegetarian sites for further insight from those who are far more organized in their presentation. Who knows, you may join us!

Racetraitor: those quotes off skunklabel were awesome Smile Thank you.


"The difference between vegetarians and vegans?

Vegetarians get invited for supper." : kakaka, tru, so tru.


Rteacher, Haterdepot: Going out some time for some vegetarian food sounds great- esp as I'll probably be cooking at home much more hereafter.

Thanks again for all the feedback.
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starbrightgirl



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: roar

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: any interest to you? Reply with quote

I checked out some of the korean sites red dog linked. The daumcafe group seems to have monthly meetings where they have cook-offs together. I speak Korean, can't write much but can read most, and would be more than happy to translate the next time they have a meet up. I'll keep you all posted. I figure, the native Seoulites know some secret veggie hangouts they can let us in on. Smile
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oni



Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey

I'm anoher vegan in Korea its not the best place for it but if ur committed its doable.
I'm definitely glad there's a vegan bakery here now the staff there are lovely and friendly.

An English girl has started up a Seoul Veggie club with monthly restaurant visits. The first meet up is on March 26 1pm at Vegelove on the 8th floor of Hyundai Dept store next to Hanti station.
email her [email protected] to make a reservation. I'm looking forward to meeting other veggies/vegan as I didn't think there were that many.

Vegan Essentials is fantastic I will try the other recommendations too.

Vegelove, SM Vege and Country Life near Sinsa station have great vegetarian buffets.
Lots of good falafel places around Itaewon Petra, Pitatime, Istanbul

Good luck!!
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Troll_Bait



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ever want to find this, or any other thread about being vegetarian in Korea, just go to:

Sticky: Restaurants/Food/Wine
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Troll_Bait



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawn wrote:

Some of us choose "this form of eating" because we find the thought of chowing down on corpses gross, disgusting, and totally unappealing -- particularly dead corpses injected full of antibiotics and contaminated with fecal matter. Yes, a USDA study found that 99 percent of the broiler chickens sold in the U.S. had detectable levels of E. Coli. Mmmm. Chicken salad made from chicken poop.


I see your point but would like to mention something.

Do you know that show on Discovery Channel called "Mythbusters"?

In one show, they tried to see if they could protect their toothbrushes from fecal matter (when we flush the toilet, the water churns it up, and it's deposited everywhere in the bathroom, including onto our toothbrushes).

Whether it was
- inside the bathroom, in a cup,
- inside the bathroom, under a cup,
- outside the bathroom, in a cup, or
- outside the bathroom, under a cup
the toothbrushes were found to contain fecal matter.

As one of them put it, "There's poop everywhere!"
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red dog



Joined: 31 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troll_Bait wrote:
Dawn wrote:

Some of us choose "this form of eating" because we find the thought of chowing down on corpses gross, disgusting, and totally unappealing -- particularly dead corpses injected full of antibiotics and contaminated with fecal matter. Yes, a USDA study found that 99 percent of the broiler chickens sold in the U.S. had detectable levels of E. Coli. Mmmm. Chicken salad made from chicken poop.


I see your point but would like to mention something.

Do you know that show on Discovery Channel called "Mythbusters"?

In one show, they tried to see if they could protect their toothbrushes from fecal matter (when we flush the toilet, the water churns it up, and it's deposited everywhere in the bathroom, including onto our toothbrushes).

Whether it was
- inside the bathroom, in a cup,
- inside the bathroom, under a cup,
- outside the bathroom, in a cup, or
- outside the bathroom, under a cup
the toothbrushes were found to contain fecal matter.

As one of them put it, "There's poop everywhere!"


So it's in the drinking water too? Gross. But even the most mainstream health authorities acknowledge that there's a greater risk of getting "food-borne illnesses" from animal products than from the plant kingdom. It's common knowledge.
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spike.matt



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is so refreshing to see other vegetarians talking. I've been struggling lately eating healthy (no meat doesnt mean healthy) , and you guys are reminding me that it's important to be healthy as well as vegetarian. oh, I wish i was in seoul sometimes, so many more options. Im in cheonan, and it's not exactly a vegetarian haven. Oh, btw, i laughed at the comment about a vegan eating shellfish Smile thanks for that.
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troll Bait, oh, don't get her started on her toothbrush issues!!!! Laughing Laughing

That study is just ONE reason I really admire the Korean architect who designed my place with my toilet mere inches from my stove. Confused
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starbrightgirl



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: New York Times Article Reply with quote

Texan Firefighters go vegan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/national/26vegan.html?ex=1144040400&en=0b01b2b435b54d9e&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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