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cubanlord

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: The difference between Windows XP Home and Windows XP Pro. |
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Bulsajo

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cubanlord

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Better is a matter of what you want to do with it. Play games, surf the net, and word process, XP Pro might be an unnecessary expense.
Pro vs Home is a classic example of "product crimping". A manufacturer purposely cripples their product to release it at a lower price point. It doesn't cost Microsoft anything more to burn a CD of Pro over a CD of Home. Microsoft had to first pony up the expense to develop the pro version. That's already a sunk cost. Then they had to pay EXTRA MONEY for some developers and testers to create a Home edition. In terms of warehousing, distribution management, and promotion it additionally costs them more to maintain two lines.
However, Microsoft can variously eek out a few more dimes out of the corporate user or lower the price of the Home edition to a level where Home users will pay but it would seem the deal of the century to corporations.
What makes product crimping a slightly more irritating ploy is when a company actually adds some additional hardware or manufacturing step to make the model at the cheaper price point slightly "crippled" compared to the more expensive item. In essence the cheaper product really costs more to make.
The classic example of product crimping is the Intel 486 chip. Intel released a cheaper 486SX chip at a lower price point. The chip was the same chip that rolled off the 486DX line except an additional step in the manufacturing processes was added to turn off the 486SX's math coprocessor.
An older example from computer history goes back to the classic days of the floppy disk. Floppy disks (5 1/4" and 3 1/2") were sold as either single sided or double sided. Double sided were noticeably more expensive. The difference between single- and double-sided disks was the double-sided product had another hole punched on the other edge. People quickly realized if you punched your own hole in a single-sided floppy, you made it a double-sided floppy. Manufacturers tried to claim this was a bad idea as the reason single sided were sold as such was because the integrity of the media was only tested on one side. Computer journalists quickly countered this notion by pointing out that on single-sided floppies, PC drives read the bottom and Macs read the top (or maybe it was the other way around.... but you get the point). Since manufacturers didn't market disks for PC or Mac only, they had to be testing both sides regardless.
Sony did something similar in the '90s with its minidisks (albeit there was no cheap simple work around this time like drilling a hole or buying a "double sider" punching device). It sold 60-minute and 74-minute minidiscs. The 74-minute disks were $1.50 more. However, the media was exactly the same, save for some special coding on the 60-minute disk that told a recorder not to write to a portion of the disk. Assholes.
One of the most notorious examples of product crimping was IBM's printer division. It released a crimped E-model version of its popular 10-page-per-minute laser printer. The E model printed at half the speed. However, to create a 5-page-per minute E model, IBM had to add 5 additional chips to the printer to actually slow it down.
Although product crimping is much more common these days as consumers have become extremely price conscious, another classic example of product crimping goes all the way back to the '70s (or earlier). Back in the day when one had a choice between leaded and unleaded gas, leaded was several cents cheaper than unleaded. The consumer perception was unleaded gas had to have the lead removed from it, hence making it more expensive to refine. However, all gas is unleaded. Lead has to be added (it was used as a lubricant), at additional cost, to make leaded gas. Petro marketers likely preyed on the public's poor understanding of the difference between "un-" and "de-" (as in decaffeinated). Fortunate for the oil companies, as consumers became aware of this odd pricing strategy, leaded gas was ultimately legislated out of existence, saving the oil companies of having to face a massive class action lawsuit.
A somewhat related pricing strategy is the idea of punishing consumers for paying less. It works a bit like this. It wouldn't cost a car company anything extra to put a sporty aluminum shell that looks like, say, a Ferrari on a Volkswagen Golf drive train. Low end cars have low profit margins. However, car buyers tend to be highly brand loyal. Once a GM driver, always a GM driver. These buying habits are also generational. People talk of GM families. So low end cars are meant to capture young car buyers and lock them in for life as automotive consumers. So if you give low end car buyers a hot looking car, they won't have any desire to move up the value chain, buying car that looks cool on the outside but has all the high profit bells and whistles of a real sports car. |
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Demophobe

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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. You could have just said you didn't know.  |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. You could have just said you didn't know.  |
It's a concept that's been bothering me on my walks to the subway. I needed to get it off my chest. |
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Gord

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Better is a matter of what you want to do with it. Play games, surf the net, and word process, XP Pro might be an unnecessary expense.
Pro vs Home is a classic example of "product crimping". A manufacturer purposely cripples their product to release it at a lower price point. It doesn't cost Microsoft anything more to burn a CD of Pro over a CD of Home. Microsoft had to first pony up the expense to develop the pro version. That's already a sunk cost. Then they had to pay EXTRA MONEY for some developers and testers to create a Home edition. In terms of warehousing, distribution management, and promotion it additionally costs them more to maintain two lines. |
XP Pro has a lot of extra stuff in it on the back-end that most people never see, and took considerably more man-hours to complete than Home. While they were released at the same time and it's unlikely that the true cost development of Pro was 50% higher than Home, it's still a cost and the market can decide if it's worth the cost.
In comparison, Server 2003 cost me $700.
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However, Microsoft can variously eek out a few more dimes out of the corporate user or lower the price of the Home edition to a level where Home users will pay but it would seem the deal of the century to corporations. |
Microsoft's cash cow is Office, not Windows. While Windows outsells Office, Office both costs 1/1000th the price to produce while selling for three times as much and is the single most-profitable product they have. Windows as a profit-margin product is in the single-digit percentages.
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What makes product crimping a slightly more irritating ploy is when a company actually adds some additional hardware or manufacturing step to make the model at the cheaper price point slightly "crippled" compared to the more expensive item. In essence the cheaper product really costs more to make.
The classic example of product crimping is the Intel 486 chip. Intel released a cheaper 486SX chip at a lower price point. The chip was the same chip that rolled off the 486DX line except an additional step in the manufacturing processes was added to turn off the 486SX's math coprocessor. |
The original SXs were born because it was a way to use otherwise defective chips. The original Pentium 60s were the same chips as the 66s only they were not stable at the faster clock rate. Original Celerons, same as the SX in that part of the chip was defective (in this case, the level 2 cache).
While not every chip sold of the lower class was indeed defective but made that way, how far to we carry it? The Intel 3.6GHz Xeon with it's $1000 price tag costs practically the same as the $60 2.2GHz P4 Celeron (at about $40). To what end do we demand economic equality based on cost?
Do you offer to pay more per hour when the restaurant or PC room is less busy because their costs per unit have increased?
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An older example from computer history goes back to the classic days of the floppy disk. Floppy disks (5 1/4" and 3 1/2") were sold as either single sided or double sided. Double sided were noticeably more expensive. The difference between single- and double-sided disks was the double-sided product had another hole punched on the other edge. People quickly realized if you punched your own hole in a single-sided floppy, you made it a double-sided floppy. Manufacturers tried to claim this was a bad idea as the reason single sided were sold as such was because the integrity of the media was only tested on one side. Computer journalists quickly countered this notion by pointing out that on single-sided floppies, PC drives read the bottom and Macs read the top (or maybe it was the other way around.... but you get the point). Since manufacturers didn't market disks for PC or Mac only, they had to be testing both sides regardless. |
You're comparing two types of double-sided disks. Original double-sided disks were much like they are now in that the drive had two heads which read both sides of the disc at the same time. "Flippies", or the act of flipping a disc over to use the opposite side with single-headed drives was generally not encouraged because stability reduced. For Joe Average who was copying games like no tomorrow and wouldn't be using the discs much, it wasn't an issue. But flippies being used in any sort of industrial environment was not as reliable for a number of reasons (magnetic diffusion, surface warping, and a host of other issues.
Macs have always used 3.5" disks which have never been "flippable" so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have never heard of the Mac using the opposite side of the disc to write on and nothing I found supports that claim, especially since the drive was manufactured by Sony. The only difference I know about is that it supported 80 tracks per inch instead of 70 which was standard at the time thus the discs could hold more.
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Sony did something similar in the '90s with its minidisks (albeit there was no cheap simple work around this time like drilling a hole or buying a "double sider" punching device). It sold 60-minute and 74-minute minidiscs. The 74-minute disks were $1.50 more. However, the media was exactly the same, save for some special coding on the 60-minute disk that told a recorder not to write to a portion of the disk. Assholes. |
The media wasn't exactly the same. 74 minutes, while appearing cosmetically similiar, had the pre-groove wobble running at a higher frequency. While many discs made prior may have worked, there was no guarantee they would. And 60 minute discs (from Sony at least) were phased out quite quickly to allow for entire CD copying as minidisc was being targetted as a cassette replacement.
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One of the most notorious examples of product crimping was IBM's printer division. It released a crimped E-model version of its popular 10-page-per-minute laser printer. The E model printed at half the speed. However, to create a 5-page-per minute E model, IBM had to add 5 additional chips to the printer to actually slow it down. |
Which model, specifically? I ask beause much of what else you've claimed doesn't appear to be valid.
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Although product crimping is much more common these days as consumers have become extremely price conscious, another classic example of product crimping goes all the way back to the '70s (or earlier). Back in the day when one had a choice between leaded and unleaded gas, leaded was several cents cheaper than unleaded. The consumer perception was unleaded gas had to have the lead removed from it, hence making it more expensive to refine. However, all gas is unleaded. Lead has to be added (it was used as a lubricant), at additional cost, to make leaded gas. Petro marketers likely preyed on the public's poor understanding of the difference between "un-" and "de-" (as in decaffeinated). Fortunate for the oil companies, as consumers became aware of this odd pricing strategy, leaded gas was ultimately legislated out of existence, saving the oil companies of having to face a massive class action lawsuit. |
While lead was added to gasoline, it was cheaper to add lead to gasoline to improve burning efficiency and other factors than what was involved in achieving the same results without using lead. While both wet, they are different products with different production processes.
Assuming your claim was true, how would that validate a class-action lawsuit?
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A somewhat related pricing strategy is the idea of punishing consumers for paying less. It works a bit like this. It wouldn't cost a car company anything extra to put a sporty aluminum shell that looks like, say, a Ferrari on a Volkswagen Golf drive train. Low end cars have low profit margins. However, car buyers tend to be highly brand loyal. Once a GM driver, always a GM driver. These buying habits are also generational. People talk of GM families. So low end cars are meant to capture young car buyers and lock them in for life as automotive consumers. So if you give low end car buyers a hot looking car, they won't have any desire to move up the value chain, buying car that looks cool on the outside but has all the high profit bells and whistles of a real sports car. |
Low-end cars with sporty shells are quite common. Renault, for example, dedicates a serious portion of their production line to such products. Other companies have had great luck with such products (90s Cavaliers from GM and CRXs from Honda) sold very well. But selling overly sporty cars without the sporty engine to match drags down the brand name in the eyes of consumers. Would you really want to spend $50,000 on a luxury Yugo? Mercedes could just as easily make an $8,000 entry-level car with no-frills, but to do so would damage the premium branding they have established. Look at how many companies list specs on the outside of the vehicle (Type R, 5L, 350 cubic inch, whatever). People just don't want a nice looking car, they want everyone to know that their sexy looking car has the power to back it up. Would you really buy a $9000 Ferarri with a 2L generic engine? People would laugh at you and call you names. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Gord wrote: |
The original SXs were born because it was a way to use otherwise defective chips. |
You know, you're right. I checked up on wikipedia. The notion that Intel added a step to turn off the floating point operation is an urban legend. Good to know. |
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Wrench
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Huge difference...
XP home support will be gone as soon as Vista is out.
XP pro will be good for a long time. |
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