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| Some Korean Teens See You The Foreigner And Say "Hi!" You, |
| Say "Hi" back and try to strike up a conversation |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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Okay folks, we have a new development in this ongoing controversy, and that is this: K-kids, when they say hi to us, probably shouldn't do so on the grounds that we're not necessarily native English-speakers. I would argue that K-kids' contact with the Russian (etc) people here is minimal compared to that of we English-teachers (in school, after-school hagwon) and - because they're kids - they can be forgiven for making the leap from "Westerner" to "must be native English-speaker
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Nice try, but this isn't a new development; you can't seperate these two issues as they have been what has been talked about ad nauseum so far. For some reason certain misguided souls with poor reading skills have focused on certain aspects that help their agenda instead of responding directly to the meat of the issue. This isn't a new development, but just saying the same thing over and over and over again. Glad to see you finally decided to get on the bus and accept that everything you've been on about has been wrong.
Here, I said this way back when:
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| Korean parents need to teach their children that they should treat foreigners the same as any other person. |
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| Since I need to spell it out for you, it's about self determination and being accepted as a valid member of the general community, not as being a stereotypical strawman-like figure that responds in pre-determined patterns, whether they be perceived as ethnic or racial contructs |
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| If you use Ebonics (as one example), it's the same thing: you're applying a learned language in a misconstrued or inappropriate context |
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| It's using learned language, more specifically a form of language that is associated with a particular image of a group of people. |
You say you're focusing on the motivations of the kids when they do the Hi dance and wave, that they aren't being malicious; well the fact is their ideas are wrong, and they shouldn't be forgiven, they should be educated. You don't do that; you go on about how cute and sweet it is when female middle schoolers pass by and give you the giggle and wave. The kids are taught from a young age appropriate behaviour towards their elders, just as you were; my teaching also included, to use the PC terminology, 'racial sensitivity training', which I think most of us are saying is lacking in the education of most Korean children. That could be tolerated and forgiven in the past, seeing as we are all from largely multicultural societies and Korea was not that, but the future is now and if Korea wants a place in it then this sort of education is necessary.
When the kids do the giggle and Hi, they are doing so out of ignorance, disdain, and a lack of respect because they have not been taught differently. Start earning your keep and do your job. |
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seoulkitchen
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
Location: Hub of Asia, my ass!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I just saw this in the news!
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Bush declares War on Korea
In an unexpected move US president George Bush has declared war on former ally South Korea. According to sources at the Whitehouse, this attempt to protect American citizens and even Canadians living abroad in Korea was sparked by the President's recent visit to Korea.
"There I was walking down the street when suddenly this gang of hooligans shouted "Hi!" at me. I was shocked and taken aback. But when they began giggling I knew they were out to get me!" Bush was quoted as saying.
There have been many reports coming out of this former hermit kingdom of Americans being verbally assaulted on the streets, completely at random. Hordes of lawless teens now roam the capital city, shouting "Hi" and "Hello" at complete strangers. It is chaos in the streets of Seoul.
"We're being treated like monkeys!" whined one anonomous patron at Dav's cafe, a haven for troubled expats in Korea. "They only show respect for elder Koreans, not for us English teachers. How they dare say "Hi" to us without bowing and scraping!"
One patron of Dav's was so distraught by these wild disrespectful teens that he personally has started a crusade to 'teach them some manners'. With repeated calls to the US president he feels Bush's actions are justified.
"It's unbelievable that these children are allowed to show such disrespect to us!!! We've got to put a stop to it! Thank God Mr. Bush has had such a horrific experience and has decided not to stand for it!!! I didn't leave my burger-flippin' job just to play white monkey-boy for these degenerate hoodlums!!!" he shreiked, causing nearby patrons to piss and cry in agreement.
Ronald Dumsfeld US vice presidant, has determined that the US will not give up it's fight to root out these 'Hi-ing' little terrorists. "We stand firm in our position to protect our overseas interests and stop the corrosion of the youth of Korea. We will teach them manners by God! No one can say 'HI" to us and get away with it!!!" |
Wow, some of you people should not be allowed to breed!
Unfortunately I'm afraid some already have, and I truly feel sorry for your children.
Remember how the Grinch hated all those kids in Whoville singing all the time. That's what I'm reminded of here. I think ya'll need to watch that movie again and learn a little something, eh.
May the number of kids shouting "Hi!" to ya'll increase daily and haunt your dreams. (An old gypsy curse.)
'Nuff said.... |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| You'd hate to see my marks at "the university?" (I didn't know there was only one university). |
Unless you have attended more than one university, there is only one university. Plus I do not even use the word marks, since I am from North America.
I would say, "I would hate to see your college grades." |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Plus I do not even use the word marks, since I am from North America.
I would say, "I would hate to see your college grades." |
Gosh, really? That's fab. What did you have for dinner yesterday? What brand of toothpaste do you use?
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| Unless you have attended more than one university, there is only one university |
Wrong. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd hate to see my marks at "the university?" (I didn't know there was only one university). |
Unless you have attended more than one university, there is only one university. Plus I do not even use the word marks, since I am from North America.
I would say, "I would hate to see your college grades." |
I use the word "marks" and I am from North America. I thought a lot of people did.
What were your marks like this year? (Question I would always ask my friends) |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd hate to see my marks at "the university?" (I didn't know there was only one university). |
Unless you have attended more than one university, there is only one university. Plus I do not even use the word marks, since I am from North America.
I would say, "I would hate to see your college grades." |
I use the word "marks" and I am from North America. I thought a lot of people did.
What were your marks like this year? (Question I would always ask my friends) |
Me too. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bush's grounds for invasion? The Korean public school system has links to Al Hi-da. |
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zenotype
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: oh oh! |
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Bush's grounds for invasion? The Korean public school system has links to Al Hi-da. |
Ohh well, I guess I am gonna get the shaft! |
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butter808fly
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: Northern California, USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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seoulkitchen, your banner stinx but your story was freakin hilarious! *lol* 'hi-ing little terrorists' hehehehe
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Bush declares War on Korea
Ronald Dumsfeld US vice presidant, has determined that the US will not give up it's fight to root out these 'Hi-ing' little terrorists. "We stand firm in our position to protect our overseas interests and stop the corrosion of the youth of Korea. We will teach them manners by God! No one can say 'HI" to us and get away with it!!!" |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| When I was living in the west I had people saying "ni hao" to me out of nowhere. I normally smile and walk away. So I guess if I was a white person in Asia I would do the same. I guess most people would respond nicely in the beginning. But if it happens a lot it can get annoying and you might just wanna ignore them. In China many times I went out with my white female friend and the teens would shout "I love you" to her and sometimes even make kiss noises. That is REALLY annoying compared to some teens saying HI to you. |
What on earth is that about? They all thought she was a 'ho or something? The more I read about China on this board, the less I want to visit. Korea sounds mild in comparison... |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| When I was living in the west I had people saying "ni hao" to me out of nowhere. I normally smile and walk away. So I guess if I was a white person in Asia I would do the same. I guess most people would respond nicely in the beginning. But if it happens a lot it can get annoying and you might just wanna ignore them. In China many times I went out with my white female friend and the teens would shout "I love you" to her and sometimes even make kiss noises. That is REALLY annoying compared to some teens saying HI to you. |
What on earth is that about? They all thought she was a 'ho or something? The more I read about China on this board, the less I want to visit. Korea sounds mild in comparison... |
Ni = you
hao = good
But together, it is just like saying hello 
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Totally misread the post (busy with many children wanting a sticker)
Last edited by laogaiguk on Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:39 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I know it seems like a petty thing but for awhile I had the kids following me down my street screaming at the top of their lungs. Hello, hi, hello. Over and over again. Now granted they were little but it is a little unnerving have kids follow right behind you screaming this over and over again. Once or twice they followed me into my building doing this. They are just naughty kids but all the same they should not being doing this to an adult. So I gave them a bit of a dressing down in Korean.
Since I have been here a long time don't have much problem with the teens as I know so many of them and since most know I am teacher I get more bows and such than the hi brigrades.
This week end this little girl said hi to me and she was so proud of herself she was with her parents so I took a minute to have a short conversation with her. She was quite pleased with herself and her parents were beaming. That I don't mind in the least.
But I WILL NOT BE SCREAMED AT LIKE A FREAKING ZOO ANIMAL. I gave some kids hell from another middle school because they were acting completely retarded and yelling hello over and over again even though I had already answered them. I am an adult and most the kids in my city know who I am. I expect the minimum of politeness they would give any other teacher they see on the street.
When I get this stuff in other places than my small hamlet I simply ignore them unless they get really nervy and then either speak spanish to them or tell them to stop speaking disrespectfully to me. 9 times out of 10 it is just teen boys/girls being teens....which we all know means being annoying.
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Teens Screaming "Hello! at You |
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This sort of rubbish happened to me nearly every day when I lived in the R.O.K. I lived there for a total of 49 months.
It seemed like very rude behavior given that I never saw Koreans getting treated in this way, and my Korean acquaintance confirmed my suspicions at a private university on a hill in Pyeoncheongdong, Seoul, in 2001 when two students harangued me with a torrent of crap in a poor excuse for a soju tent. He said he was sorry for their stupid behavior. I flipped the two loads the bird and told them to go to hell.
In June, 2003, I exploded on six or seven high school guys who literally followed me around Gyeonbukgong Station (near Anguk Station): They would not cease their egregious behavior, so I dumped my steaming hot cup of muck that I had purchased a few minutes before I ran into them on top of the head of the worst offender. I then told him to fork off and challenged the group to a fist fight. They walked away with their heads down and I followed them down to the tracks screaming every vituperation in the book at them.
In Sin-Jeju, I was walking to a galbi joint last March when I was accosted by seven or eight twenty year olds. They would not stop following me even though I broke into a slow jog to give them the hint that their actions were horrible. Suddenly, a guy ran in front of me and yelled at the top of his lungs: "Heh-rowwww!!!!" I grabbed the punk, who looked taller and heavier than me, and shouted: "Baboo saeki! Cah yo!!" I pushed him onto the ground and then grabbed another and said the same thing. They walked away in the other direction quite quickly.
We must not let such barbaric behavior go unpunished. Too many Koreans are backwards as hell and will only leave you alone if they think that you'll whoop their fannies if they mess with you. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| When I was living in the west I had people saying "ni hao" to me out of nowhere. I normally smile and walk away. So I guess if I was a white person in Asia I would do the same. I guess most people would respond nicely in the beginning. But if it happens a lot it can get annoying and you might just wanna ignore them. In China many times I went out with my white female friend and the teens would shout "I love you" to her and sometimes even make kiss noises. That is REALLY annoying compared to some teens saying HI to you. |
What on earth is that about? They all thought she was a 'ho or something? The more I read about China on this board, the less I want to visit. Korea sounds mild in comparison... |
Ni = you
hao = good
But together, it is just like saying hello |
The kiss kiss part. I don't get that part. I'd just say, "Me love you long time" in response.
(I'm referring to the bold type in pest1's post). |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Teens Screaming "Hello! at You |
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This sort of rubbish happened to me nearly every day when I lived in the R.O.K. I lived there for a total of 49 months.
It seemed like very rude behavior given that I never saw Koreans getting treated in this way, and my Korean acquaintance confirmed my suspicions at a private university on a hill in Pyeoncheongdong, Seoul, in 2001 when two students harangued me with a torrent of crap in a poor excuse for a soju tent. He said he was sorry for their stupid behavior. I flipped the two loads the bird and told them to go to hell.
In June, 2003, I exploded on six or seven high school guys who literally followed me around Gyeonbukgong Station (near Anguk Station): They would not cease their egregious behavior, so I dumped my steaming hot cup of muck that I had purchased a few minutes before I ran into them on top of the head of the worst offender. I then told him to fork off and challenged the group to a fist fight. They walked away with their heads down and I followed them down to the tracks screaming every vituperation in the book at them.
In Sin-Jeju, I was walking to a galbi joint last March when I was accosted by seven or eight twenty year olds. They would not stop following me even though I broke into a slow jog to give them the hint that their actions were horrible. Suddenly, a guy ran in front of me and yelled at the top of his lungs: "Heh-rowwww!!!!" I grabbed the punk, who looked taller and heavier than me, and shouted: "Baboo saeki! Cah yo!!" I pushed him onto the ground and then grabbed another and said the same thing. They walked away in the other direction quite quickly.
We must not let such barbaric behavior go unpunished. Too many Koreans are backwards as hell and will only leave you alone if they think that you'll whoop their fannies if they mess with you. |
Good for you. There's no reason to tolerate harrassment. |
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