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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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I replied to the stupid article by sending the so-called staff reporter an e-mail.
After being fired illegally I gathered and sent the staff reporter what I gave the court, an explanation(in Hangul) of C.D. camcorder evidence showing my former Hagwon owner spitting/spatting on me, entering my house illegally, kicking me, and probably driving without a drivers license only 5 months after being arrested and paying a 2 million Won fine for drunk driving. The dude also sang *ucking U.S.A.(in tune to the Beach Boys) and saying...No, no, America Kill my people they didn't help my people.
The staff reporter said there are un-qualified Teachers, don't suppose there are unqualified Hakwon owners do ya?
Some good points said on this thread. Why don't ya'll reply to...
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
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| Nolan Ryan wrote: |
Talk about inflated salaries....
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Actually, if you consider the average monthly cost to the school, it's pretty close. Maybe that's what they are basing their numbers on.
2,000,000 salary
300,000 housing
100,000 flight
167,000 severence
100,000(?) schools' half of pension and health
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2,670,000 |
but severance and pension are required by law, all koreans get that as well, so we are not special here at all.
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It's still part of overall compensation. I'm just saying that's where they could have gotten their numbers from. |
I don't think that is what the staff writer wrote, meant, or where figures originated...
"Native English speakers are now paid about 2.2-2.8 million won from an average 2 million won earlier."
NOW PAID? THE WRITER TRIES TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NOW AND I ASSUME RECENTLY. AND, RECENTLY MOST OF THOSE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN "COMPENSATED" IN THE WAY YOU TRY TO HELP THE WRITER HAVE NOT SEEN A DRASTIC INCREASE IN SALARY. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A 200,000 WON - 800,000 WON INCREASE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
"However, the rise in their salaries is likely leading to the hike in tuition fees in the institutes."
I LIKE HOW THE WRITER BLAMES THE FOREIGNER TEACHER FOR A RISE IN TUITIONS.
``It might be inevitable that institutes raise tuition fees if the salaries for foreign teachers are on the rise,���� an institute official said.
I thought the Korea Times was better than what the writer exemplifies. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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It's nice to seem some figures for a change.
If you read closely, you'll realize that there are no figures in that article whatsoever. To get the salary figure, they took the top of the hagwon market (2.2) and the top camp salary (2.. It has nothing to do with what the average teacher makes.
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The figures I said it was nice to see are these:
10,822 in 2003
12,000 in 2005 |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see a problem.
Is the staff reporter correct? Are teachers being paid up to 2.8m now? Yes, there are such teachers and they are getting paid up to 2.8m a month. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
I dont see a problem.
Is the staff reporter correct? Are teachers being paid up to 2.8m now? Yes, there are such teachers and they are getting paid up to 2.8m a month. |
There are also teachers making 1.9 (EPIK base rate, for instance), as well as teachers who earn an average of much less than this after being screwed out of salary. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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I dont see a problem.
Is the staff reporter correct? Are teachers being paid up to 2.8m now? Yes, there are such teachers and they are getting paid up to 2.8m a month. |
There are also teachers making 1.9 (EPIK base rate, for instance), as well as teachers who earn an average of much less than this after being screwed out of salary. |
Thats true. Did the reporter claim they there werent? All he claimed was that the salaries of teachers have gone up, which is true. There are now higher salaried jobs available to foreign teachers. Up to 2.8. And even beyond.
As for 1.9m jobs. Listen, people should just not take those jobs. Personally, I would be insulted to receive such an offer. Would YOU take 1.9? I didnt think so. Tachers who take such jobs are every bit as guilty about undercutting pay as the hagwons who offer 1.9. 1.9 was what I made as a newb 4.5 years ago. No way should people be taking such jobs today. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the reporter is being a bit misleading. The average salary for a first timer on an E2 is 2.0. I know of few hogwan teachers who make more than 2.2 unless one factors in overtime. 1.9 to 2.8 would have been a lot more accurate. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I think the reporter is being a bit misleading. The average salary for a first timer on an E2 is 2.0. I know of few hogwan teachers who make more than 2.2 unless one factors in overtime. 1.9 to 2.8 would have been a lot more accurate. |
More accurate, maybe. However it doesnt change the fact that he was infact accurate. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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My uni has been invited to join universitas21. I wonder whether that fact alone would be enough to convince K-employers to dig deep for the waygookin?
So, that having been said, what constitutes a foreign "Ivy league" uni(apart from the obvious)? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| fusionbarnone wrote: |
My uni has been invited to join universitas21. I wonder whether that fact alone would be enough to convince K-employers to dig deep for the waygookin?
So, that having been said, what constitutes a foreign "Ivy league" uni(apart from the obvious)? |
So far as I know the idea only exists in the minds of stuck-up Canadians who went to Queens. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I think the reporter is being a bit misleading. The average salary for a first timer on an E2 is 2.0. I know of few hogwan teachers who make more than 2.2 unless one factors in overtime. 1.9 to 2.8 would have been a lot more accurate. |
More accurate, maybe. However it doesnt change the fact that he was infact accurate. |
"Native English speakers are now paid about 2.2-2.8 million won from an average 2 million won earlier."
Hardly accurate, far from it. It doesn't say "up to," it says "about" which to me means average. Later, the so-called staff reporter claims we have received a 200,000 - 800,000 Won increase in pay.
That's 1 of the staff reporter's points. The smaller percentage of people who make that amount of money probably make it illegally. That should be the point and I'm surprised it's not. Anything to again point the finger at the Foreigner.
Did you or have you received a 200,000 - 800,000 Won increase in pay recently???
Why are you being stupid about a stupid article a stupid staff reporter wrote? I say stupid because reporters shouldn't misreport the facts. The facts are not accurate. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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My uni has been invited to join universitas21. I wonder whether that fact alone would be enough to convince K-employers to dig deep for the waygookin?
So, that having been said, what constitutes a foreign "Ivy league" uni(apart from the obvious)? |
So far as I know the idea only exists in the minds of stuck-up Canadians who went to Queens. |
Not sure about Canadian unis, but I'd think Oxford and Cambridge would be at least as prestigious, if not more so than the Ivy League. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| She is an American national and a graduate of Harvard University, which is a perfect background as a native English instructor in Korea. |
What the hell is a graduate of Harvard doing teaching in Korea? |
A friend of mine is a Harvard Divinity School MDiv graduate. She is a professor at Kyunghee University.
I think some people are here:
1. for the money
2. they like teaching.
She and her husband have been here for almost 10 years and are going strong! |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| people are talking about summer camp jobs being 2.8 mil, but weren't they always this? Or were they higher, like 3.0? I don't know, since I never worked one, but the point is that there may not be any increase, the reporter is simply inflating the facts, or should I say, adding some truthiness to the article. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| buymybook wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I think the reporter is being a bit misleading. The average salary for a first timer on an E2 is 2.0. I know of few hogwan teachers who make more than 2.2 unless one factors in overtime. 1.9 to 2.8 would have been a lot more accurate. |
More accurate, maybe. However it doesnt change the fact that he was infact accurate. |
"Native English speakers are now paid about 2.2-2.8 million won from an average 2 million won earlier."
Hardly accurate, far from it. It doesn't say "up to," it says "about" which to me means average. Later, the so-called staff reporter claims we have received a 200,000 - 800,000 Won increase in pay.
That's 1 of the staff reporter's points. The smaller percentage of people who make that amount of money probably make it illegally. That should be the point and I'm surprised it's not. Anything to again point the finger at the Foreigner.
Did you or have you received a 200,000 - 800,000 Won increase in pay recently???
Why are you being stupid about a stupid article a stupid staff reporter wrote? I say stupid because reporters shouldn't misreport the facts. The facts are not accurate. |
Myself? I went from 2.0 to 2.7 in the last 1.5 years. |
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