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[Gopher]

[bigverne]

[bigverne]

Islamic 'tolerance', coming soon to a Western city where you live.

An Afghan man is being tried in a court in the capital, Kabul, for converting from Islam to Christianity.

Abdul Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and could face the death sentence under Sharia law unless he recants.

Trial judge Ansarullah Mawlazezadah told the BBC that Mr Rahman, 41, would be asked to reconsider his conversion, which he made while working for a Christian aid group in Pakistan.

"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance. We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so we will forgive him," the judge told the BBC on Monday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

But if he hasn't changed his mind, he will be killed. What a heartwarming tale. Undoubtedly, many Muslims who agree with such medieval backwardness have entered the West, and will continue to do so, in spite of any silly 'tolerance' tests that are put in their way.

[The Man known as The Man]

[rapier]

Christians have been persecuted, dispossed, and killed in most Muslim nations for a long time now. Highlighting the case of just 1 in Afghanistan is almost an insult. Although it serves to show the way things are going all over again there.

*Notice that Abdul Rahman looks.. happy!

[cerulean808]

The selfrighteous outrage of Islam bashing Christians in the West makes me laugh. The only reason Christians aren't cheerfully exterminating unbelievers and each other here in the West is the success of the Humanist philosophical project over the centuries. Of which one important political concept is the seperation of Church and State. You only have to look at the domestic political sphere of the USA to see the hostility of Christians to this crucial element necessary for democracy to breath.

[thepeel]

[cerulean808]

You reckon your doing some bashing too? I thought self declared atheists prided themselves on engaging in rational argument and avoiding vicious out group persecution.

[mithridates]

[laogaiguk]

[cerulean808]

The Dutch politically resolved the deep religious division and hatred between Catholic and Protestant, and have managed not to savage each other for a fair few centuries now. Hopeful they can draw on that experience in handling the integration of the recent Islamic element into Dutch society.

As for comparing various fundamentalisms its shades of white. All the ideologically driven share the basic characteristics - claiming to have exclusive access to the truth, fear and contempt of the individual, nonconformism and questioning.

The 'Clash of Civilizations' or 'them Muslims is crazy' themed spiel that dominates a lot of current debate on the ME produces too much heat and not enough light. This suits some vested interests just fine. Any serious attempt to understand how we arrived at this sorry state of affairs and how we could get out of it needs to start with a simple but dangerous ( to some ) question: 9 11 why?

[mithridates]

[thepeel]

[bigverne]

[thepeel]

Ok, how about

Malmo, Why?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The ��Swedish model�� would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it?

In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled ��Vi krigar mot svenskarna�� (��We��re waging a war against the Swedes��), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims. In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries. This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are ��waging war�� against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a ��war against the Swedes.�� This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. ��I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,�� she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. ��When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.�� This argument was repeated several times. ��Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.�� The boys explain, laughingly, that ��there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you��re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you��ve succeeded, it simply feels good.�� ��It��s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.�� ��We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.�� The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: ��The Swedes don��t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They��re so wimpy.�� The young robbers do not plan their crimes: ��No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.��

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? ��Well, they hate us,�� Petra Åkesson reports them as answering. ��When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.�� Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Åkerström,a professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: ��Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.��

It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a ��war,�� and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.