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mindmetoo
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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South Korea should retaliate. Next year, after agreeing as usual to supply millions of bags of fertilizer for absolutely nothing in return, it should deliver the bags a day late. That'll teach the north to take the south seriously.
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Thread title of the year, so far.
You've captured the absurdity succinctly, MMT. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Ya gotta wonder what's going through NK's collective head when they pull crap like this. These detentions only embarass the Uri party, who are currently offering the Norks the best deal they could possibly hope for.
Possibly, it could just be that KJI and Co. are so insulated from reality that it really does hurt their feelings to read about "abductees" in the South Korean press. But I doubt this, because it can hardly be a traumatizing news flash to the Norks that some people in South Korea say bad stuff about them.
Maybe the NK leaders really think that they can prevent the South Koreans from hearing about adductions. But detaining the tourists only keeps the story in the news for a few more days, whereas if they just had just let the wording pass the whole thing would have gone largely unnoticed. |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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But detaining the tourists only keeps the story in the news for a few more days, whereas if they just had just let the wording pass the whole thing would have gone largely unnoticed. |
But I think that's what drives them- any publicity is good publicity.
The last thing they want is for anyone in the world to forget about them and look at other problems.
Not only internationally with their "crazy nuke man" strategy, but regionally too.
The whole abduction 'issue' is a hot button with Japan.
They don't care about the ROK or what the ROK thinks because they know the ROK their little beyotch- the ROK doesn't call the shots, the US, Japan, and China do.
Be nice to the ROK to get what they want? Why bother, when acting crazy and figuratively slapping the ROK around gets them what they want 9 times out of 10?
Does anyone in the DPRK regime really give a crap about reunited families or how the DPRK might be viewed in newspapers? (rhetorical question)
Anyway, that's my take on it. I could be wrong. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone care to bet next month's paycheck that the next round of family meetings will not see the term 'abductee' used in the SK press? I am. It looks to me like the Norks just won another round in its campaign to control political discourse in the South. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Technically a better subject line for my post might be "To prove North Korea doesn't hold South Koreans against their will, it holds South Koreans against their will." Should the press report it that way, I'm sure the North will hold more South Koreans to prove it didn't hold that batch of vacationers against it's will... |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps, but what you wrote has a nice ring to it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
But detaining the tourists only keeps the story in the news for a few more days, whereas if they just had just let the wording pass the whole thing would have gone largely unnoticed.
But I think that's what drives them- any publicity is good publicity.
The last thing they want is for anyone in the world to forget about them and look at other problems.
Not only internationally with their "crazy nuke man" strategy, but regionally too.
The whole abduction 'issue' is a hot button with Japan.
They don't care about the ROK or what the ROK thinks because they know the ROK their little beyotch- the ROK doesn't call the shots, the US, Japan, and China do.
Be nice to the ROK to get what they want? Why bother, when acting crazy and figuratively slapping the ROK around gets them what they want 9 times out of 10?
Does anyone in the DPRK regime really give a crap about reunited families or how the DPRK might be viewed in newspapers? (rhetorical question)
Anyway, that's my take on it. I could be wrong.
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No, I think you're basically correct that South Korea is a bit player in the North Korean saga, and that the starring roles are being played by China and the USA(I'm not sure how important Japan really is). But still, I don't think that KJI would consider it in his interests to have the GNP ascend to power in the south. And yet his every move these days seems calculated to discredit Uri.
One theory I've been tossing around is that bullying South Korea serves to bolster KJI's own position in the NK power structure. I'm specualting that right now his supposed ability to call the shots with at least one other country in the neighbourhood is part of the appeal he holds with his fellow elites. If he started backing down from fights with the South, there might be grumblings from would-be palace conspirators that he's losing his iron touch. |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Good points. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if the yahoo report mentions it, but the Joongilbo/IHT reported the South Koreans the North Koreans kept from leaving were all like 80 years old. Great. Hold a bunch of tired, cranky, emotionally wrought seniors to make some political point. At least SBS didn't kowtow to the SK government which was urging the press to follow North Korea's script. SBS, they ream us teachers but I guess they're an equal opportunity reamer (Dr Hwang, North Korea, the sitting government...) |
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jinju
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I really hope for a GNP victory and a GNP president. Then they can scrap the sunshine policy. I would love to see an eclipse policy. Basically stop shipments of everything to the North. No rice, no fertilizer, no money, nothing, nada, zippo. let China pick up the slack if hey want. Close down Kaesong and refuse to help NK start any sort of free trade zone as they wanted to do. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
I really hope for a GNP victory and a GNP president. Then they can scrap the sunshine policy. I would love to see an eclipse policy. Basically stop shipments of everything to the North. No rice, no fertilizer, no money, nothing, nada, zippo. let China pick up the slack if hey want. Close down Kaesong and refuse to help NK start any sort of free trade zone as they wanted to do. |
I hear that. It would appear that Koreans of any latitude are, shall we say, gullible. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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don't know if the yahoo report mentions it, but the Joongilbo/IHT reported the South Koreans the North Koreans kept from leaving were all like 80 years old. Great. Hold a bunch of tired, cranky, emotionally wrought seniors to make some political point. |
That's the thing. These actions by the Norks betray NO sense of "optics" whatsoever. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if the die-hard, "don't upset NK", Sunshine supporters ever feel embarassed by stuff like this. I don't think history will judge kindly the selling out of their own people, no matter how necessary some of it might be. |
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