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mindmetoo
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 Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: Thank you America (hostage rescue) |
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Has anyone thanked the Americans for their rescue of our Canadian hostage in Iraq? I know I know there are people who might argue a thousand reasons why those people got what was coming to them or how they'd never have been in that situation if it weren't for the Americans...
But if the roles were reversed and Canadians rescued some Americans, there would more than likely a) be a post on Dave's by an actual American thanking Canada b) be a post by a Canadian demanding America thank us.
So, America, Americans, thanks.
(Now back to our smei regular schedule battle of wits.) |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| You are welcome. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Canadians have been there for Americans. too. During the Iranian 'students' takeover of the American embassy, the Canadian embassy hid some Americans who had gotten out earlier.
When I was stationed in Egupt, we had a plane crash in Gander, Newfoundland, and Canadians were very helpful then. Also, on 11 September, I remember that a lot of Americans were helped at the same airport.
But as much crap as Americans get, it is nice to hear thank you instead of *beep* you.
(And I think the British SAS had something to do with it, too.) |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Yes. Thank you!
But gypsyfish is right too. It's not like we aren't there when needed. Always have been since Canada's founding and hopefully always will be  |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Wow MMT. Really stand-up.
Almost makes up for your comments about Normandy. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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It will be nice reading more about the rescue. I heard though that it was a joint operation between U.S. and British forces.
Thanks to those who risk their lives for others. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
Canadians have been there for Americans. too. During the Iranian 'students' takeover of the American embassy, the Canadian embassy hid some Americans who had gotten out earlier.
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Yes, good point. Thank you. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not only was the hostage rescue operation a combined effort between US and British forces, but the Canadian military was involved as well (surprise!)...so we should be thanking everyone who stuck their necks oot.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=c0ff5789-aaf0-4629-9960-f1d63e7a854e&k=35406
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Font: * * * * OTTAWA (CP) - The rescue of two Canadians and a British hostage in Iraq was a "textbook operation from start to finish," Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay said Friday.
James Loney, 41, of Toronto, Harmeet Sooden, 32, formerly of Montreal and Norman Kember, 74, of London, were freed Thursday, months after having been abducted at gunpoint on the streets of Baghdad on Nov. 26.
All three were in Iraq working for a group called Christian Peacemaker Teams.
The hostages were rescued by coalition forces and a source has told The Canadian Press that members of Canada's special forces, known as JTF-2, played a role.
However, MacKay would not provide any information about the role of the Canadian military in the hostage rescue.
"We don't get into the discussion around tactical or operations details," he said in a television interview.
"It was an international effort. There were obviously several governments involved (and) Canadian officials were involved throughout the process."
Peter Van Loan, parliamentary secretary to MacKay, said on TV on Thursday that Canada's involvement on the ground "included some Canadian forces in a very limited way, but that was focused on this rescue operation."
MacKay also said he was delighted to have made the phone calls to tell the hostages families of their rescue.
"It was absolutely the best call that I've made in my short time in office," MacKay said. "Hearing the pure joy in their voices - this was a very tense and trying ordeal for them - it's truly a miraculous story."
Loney, a longtime housing activist in Toronto, was expected to return to Canada in the next few days. All three hostages had a brief checkup at hospital and were reported to have spend the night Thursday at the British Embassy in Baghdad.
Sooden's brother-in-law Mark Brewer said relatives planned to travel to Baghdad to bring him home.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Just three hours after a newly captured detainee told them the location of three Christian aid workers, coalition troops on Thursday rescued the men who had been held hostage since November.
The two Canadians and a Briton were found bound but unguarded in a Baghdad house, U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch said.
The operation was conducted after coalition forces detained two people the night before, Lynch said.
One of the detainees knew where the hostages were. The operation was then conducted at 8 a.m. after surveillance and planning.
After medical checks, Briton Norman Kember, 74 and Canadians James Loney, 41, and Harmeet Singh Sooden, 32 -- members of the aid group Christian Peacemaker Teams -- were relaxing inside the British Embassy compound in Baghdad's high-security Green Zone, officials said...
British Defense Secretary John Reid said British troops "spearheaded" the rescue operation. The U.S. military confirmed that U.S. special forces took part and said the operation was continuing and coalition forces were looking to gather further intelligence from the house where the men were held.
Other Americans taken hostage in Iraq and killed in addition to Fox, according to AP, were Ronald Schulz, 40, an industrial electrician from Anchorage, Alaska; Jack Hensley, 48, a civil engineer from Marietta, Georgia; Eugene "Jack" Armstrong, 52, formerly of Hillsdale, Michigan; and Nicholas Berg, 26, a businessman from West Chester, Pennsylvania...
Still missing is Jill Carroll, a freelance writer for The Christian Science Monitor who was kidnapped January 7 in Baghdad. |
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| Not only was the hostage rescue operation a combined effort between US and British forces, but the Canadian military was involved as well (surprise!)... |
On the above post: an operation hastily dispatched on three-hours notice strongly suggests that any Canadian troops participating in it would already have had to be on the ground in Iraq. I don't doubt your report, Canuckistan, it's just that it has been vigorously asserted that Canada has no troops in Iraq and is not participating in operations there in any way. Apparently that wasn't entirely accurate.
So does anyone have any data on how many Canadian troops we're talking about, whether they are Special Forces, how long they've been in Iraq, and what their mission is there?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/23/iraq.hostages/index.html
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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From CNN...
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Just three hours after a newly captured detainee told them the location of three Christian aid workers, coalition troops on Thursday rescued the men who had been held hostage since November.
The two Canadians and a Briton were found bound but unguarded in a Baghdad house, U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch said.
The operation was conducted after coalition forces detained two people the night before, Lynch said.
One of the detainees knew where the hostages were. The operation was then conducted at 8 a.m. after surveillance and planning.
After medical checks, Briton Norman Kember, 74 and Canadians James Loney, 41, and Harmeet Singh Sooden, 32 -- members of the aid group Christian Peacemaker Teams -- were relaxing inside the British Embassy compound in Baghdad's high-security Green Zone, officials said...
British Defense Secretary John Reid said British troops "spearheaded" the rescue operation. The U.S. military confirmed that U.S. special forces took part and said the operation was continuing and coalition forces were looking to gather further intelligence from the house where the men were held.
Other Americans taken hostage in Iraq and killed in addition to Fox, according to AP, were Ronald Schulz, 40, an industrial electrician from Anchorage, Alaska; Jack Hensley, 48, a civil engineer from Marietta, Georgia; Eugene "Jack" Armstrong, 52, formerly of Hillsdale, Michigan; and Nicholas Berg, 26, a businessman from West Chester, Pennsylvania...
Still missing is Jill Carroll, a freelance writer for The Christian Science Monitor who was kidnapped January 7 in Baghdad. |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| Not only was the hostage rescue operation a combined effort between US and British forces, but the Canadian military was involved as well (surprise!)... |
On the above post: an operation hastily dispatched on three-hours notice strongly suggests that any Canadian troops participating in it would already have had to be on the ground in Iraq. I don't doubt your report, Canuckistan, it's just that it has been vigorously asserted that Canada has no troops in Iraq and is not participating in operations there in any way. Apparently that wasn't entirely accurate.
So does anyone have any data on how many Canadian troops we're talking about, whether they are Special Forces, how long they've been in Iraq, and what their mission is there?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/23/iraq.hostages/index.html |
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060323/canadian_aid_hostages_060323/20060323?hub=World
The last half of the article addresses some of your questions in the above post. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Gopher:
Scroll down to the paragraph beginning with "Despite the Chretien government's...", near the bottom of the article. The information provided might help answer the questions you're asking.
http://tinyurl.com/pnmyt
And for the record, I think those are very good questions for all Canadians to be asking as well. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Gopher:
Scroll down to the paragraph beginning with "Despite the Chretien government's...", near the bottom of the article. The information provided might help answer the questions you're asking.
(1) http://tinyurl.com/pnmyt
(2) And for the record, I think those are very good questions for all Canadians to be asking as well. |
(Numbers are mine)
(1) Your link doesn't work. Not to worry though, my article answers all of Mr. Gopher's question except for the number of troops.
(2) Why? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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1) Your link doesn't work. Not to worry though, my article answers all of Mr. Gopher's question except for the number of troops.
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The link worked for me fine just now.
Why do I think those are good questions to ask? Because as far as I can tell, the presence of Canadian soldiers in Iraq is something that's not discussed all that much, even by Canadians who claim to be opposed to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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1) Your link doesn't work. Not to worry though, my article answers all of Mr. Gopher's question except for the number of troops.
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The link worked for me fine just now.
Why do I think those are good questions to ask? Because as far as I can tell, the presence of Canadian soldiers in Iraq is something that's not discussed all that much, even by Canadians who claim to be opposed to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. |
Must be my computer then
But as my article points out, this was a one time deal. The Canadian soldiers were there only to rescue the hostages, not aid in the occupation. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Must be my computer then
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Actually, my link to the article now goes straight to the tinyurl website. Weird.
http://tinyurl.com/e5oxp
Okay, this one was DEFINITELY working when I checked it a second ago.
(If it still continues to eff up, you can do a google on Iraqis getting a raw deal on debt, Canadian Centre For Policy Alternatives.)
The article makes the point that Candians participated in the protection of aircraft carriers, the co-ordination of air strikes, and served as ground troops(among other things), as part of the exchange program.
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