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canuckistan
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I'd imagine there are plenty of Canadian special forces in Afghanistan. So for example, how long would it take them to get to Iraq once someone tipped them off they were interrogating a couple of guys who probably knew where the hostages were being held?
Then again, I don't think it's unusual to have your countrys' special forces participating in a search for your own nationals when they've been taken hostage. |
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supernick
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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It has never been a secret about Canadian soldiers in Iraq as they serve in exchange programs. The exchange programs aren't canceled in the event of war, and the exchange soldiers fall under the command of the host country.
What is wrong with Canadian special forces being involved in a rescue mission of Canadians? As TUM said, they were involved in a rescue, not to invade, or to occupy. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| What is wrong with Canadian special forces being involved in a rescue mission of Canadians? |
Nothing, unless you want to cook up silliness where there isn't any. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Despite the Chretien government's refusal to give overt diplomatic support to the invasion of Iraq, Canada offered much more covert collaboration in the invasion than most Candians realize:
Canadian warships led the multinational naval task force in [the] Persian Gulf protecting US aircraft carriers launching air strikes against Iraq.
Some Canadian soldiers were active on the ground in Iraq as part of an officer exchange program with the U.S.
Canadian military personnel aboard AWACS aircraft helped coordinate air strikes.
At least three Canadian military transport planes helped to supply the coalition forces during the war.
Canada sent 2,000 troops to Afghanistan, in part to free up U.S. troops for duty in Iraq.
Canada's actual collaboration with the U.S. in Iraq no doubt contributed to the January, 2004 announcement by the Bush administration that Canada will be allowed to bid on future reconstruction projects. |
Based on this information and also on Canada's participation in the operation this thread is celebrating, I think there was a preexisting infrastructure of U.S.-Canadian collaboration on the ground in the Iraqi War/Occupation, and that it is likely more extensive than is openly acknowledged, for several reasons, such as domestic politics or fear of possible retaliation from bin Laden.
And they could not have been despatched from Afghanistan to Iraq on three hours' notice. They were almost certainly already there.
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ddeubel
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While we are all cheerleading, lets not forget to also thank America for putting all our sons and daughters at risk.
I'd also like to thank them for throwing the match which led to the kidnappings. Boy they start the fires and then take the credit for putting them out!!! Thank you.
DD |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
And they could not have been despatched from Afghanistan to Iraq on three hours' notice. They were almost certainly already there. |
When the hostages were FIRST snatched (months ago) the special forces were sent over to help find them. My link gives the details. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
And they could not have been despatched from Afghanistan to Iraq on three hours' notice. They were almost certainly already there. |
When the hostages were FIRST snatched (months ago) the special forces were sent over to help find them. My link gives the details. |
That's right.
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Ottawa dispatched a team of Canadian soldiers to Baghdad in early December that included a team of diplomats, Mounties, and CSIS intelligence officers.
Once the team determined a ransom note was unlikely to emerge, they came to the realization that the need to plan a military rescue mission was clear.
That team stayed in Baghdad through Christmas and into this year. |
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buymybook
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
While we are all cheerleading, lets not forget to also thank America for putting all our sons and daughters at risk.
I'd also like to thank them for throwing the match which led to the kidnappings. Boy they start the fires and then take the credit for putting them out!!! Thank you.
DD |
Word has it that Bush wants to buy you a house. All you have to do is go to the White house and collect your cash. You also will be allowed to put that house on any 100 acre property you chose. What else do you want from America? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
While we are all cheerleading, lets not forget to also thank America for putting all our sons and daughters at risk.
I'd also like to thank them for throwing the match which led to the kidnappings. Boy they start the fires and then take the credit for putting them out!!! Thank you.
DD |
I highly doubt there is anybody on this board who has sons and daughters in the U.S. Army in Iraq. Nice try at starting a flame war between Americans and Canadians. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| The final raid to rescue the hostages was conducted by the British military. |
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capebretoncanadian
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: |
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We're buddies...case closed...despite the incessant flaming on ESL cafe and all the superficial trash talk going on elsewhere.....the US and Canada are great pals!! Pinkie swear!!  |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| capebretoncanadian wrote: |
| ...all the superficial trash talk... |
I agree with where you're coming from. We would be much stronger as a coalition if we stopped bickering with each other.
On the other hand, as an American, it is a little annoying that, from one point of view, the pattern of "the superficial trash talk" concerning the Iraqi affair shows that when it is criticism or incompetence or bloodthirsty imperialism...that calls for tight focus on the U.S.
But when something good comes out of that theater, it must have been something the British or even the Canadian military did, and the Americans could not have been all that involved in it.
Even a thread that begins with very good intentions (and I was pleasantly surprised to see it was Mindmetoo who started it -- so cheers to him on that score) ends up with Canuckistan's pronouncement that, implicitly, the U.S. was not even there for the actual rescue.
Some people on this board really squirm whenever it comes down to recognizing a single good quality about the United States. |
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Porter_Goss
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
While we are all cheerleading, lets not forget to also thank America for putting all our sons and daughters at risk.
I'd also like to thank them for throwing the match which led to the kidnappings. Boy they start the fires and then take the credit for putting them out!!! Thank you.
DD |
*Click* Note to self; target for rendition, possible ties to Al Qaeda. *Click* |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| *Click* Note to self; target for rendition, possible ties to Al Qaeda. *Click* |
LOL!!! Go watch another "made by the military" , spy/espionage, pretty navy seals woman, forensic, they are poisoning our wells!!! (but you wouldnt know what that refers to!), the barbarians are at our gates, spit and polish my shoes, TV serial. Better use of your time.
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Porter_Goss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
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| *Click* Note to self; target for rendition, possible ties to Al Qaeda. *Click* |
LOL!!! Go watch another "made by the military" , spy/espionage, pretty navy seals woman, forensic, they are poisoning our wells!!! (but you wouldnt know what that refers to!), the barbarians are at our gates, spit and polish my shoes, TV serial. Better use of your time.
DD |
It's sarcasm, the whole persona. I'm sure it's funnier if you know who Porter Goss is. |
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