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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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little mixed girl:
Is that BoA in your avatar?
(Mine is, by the way, taken from this commercial.) |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
this question is just as gay as the "i chose to go to michigan because i like the football team" statement i've heard.
if u want action, you've got a hand, sex urself up. |
Correct me i I am wrong but the title of the thread is
"straight up: Korean girlfriends?"
A gay question, would be
"straight up: Korean boyfriends?"
Oh wait, you are using 'gay' as a derogatory adjective..
now I get it.. how very high school of you |
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cameron.mayo

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Location: Western Hemisphere
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Roger that Mashimaro, very high school, I agree.
Back to your playstation son (little mixed girl).
Availability of local women to date would be one thing into THUH mix as to choosing a destination. For example I would count out Middle East, being a red blooded male, who enjoys women, for all intents and purposes its not gonna happen there.
McChristophermsw: Agreed, staying in shape is a HUGE part of it. 98% of women love fit, strong, healthy masculine men. Little mixed girl; trade in your x-box for a few sessions at the gym and see ur stock rise, then you wont be so intimidated when topics like this feed the thread.
Thuh end. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: Reply to the |
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What is your reply to a foreign women having a Korean boyfriend? Your reply is urgently awaited......before I make a judgement.
Asian eye candy......foreign men have eye candy back home...why Asia.....you reply is urgently awaited!! |
As this is a FORUM, I will assume the question was neither rhetorical nor exclusively directed at a single hot-blooded male and therefore respond as follows:
1. Despite what radical feminism would have us believe, exoticism is mutual in the cultural dating context. Many a Western woman has sought out an Asian bf by fantasizing and imagining all sorts of things, some of which are true; most of which are fetish-making. Same for Western men. So is this just a popular culture version of Orientalism. Don't think so, as Asians return the compliment. Even many (at least Chinese) commercials try to capitalize on this sort of thing in subtle ways.
2. It therefore follows from (1) above that I wouldn't give a rat's buttocks whether you date a Korean guy or not. That would only increase the female to male ratio--not that I can take advantage of it as a married man, mind you.
3. At the risking of slipping into pseudo-Freudian analysis, I find it nonetheless revealing that some of the Western female posters here describe the physical shape of Asian women. A tad bit of insecurity, perchance.
4. Now, I'll raise the stakes in this discussion. I contend that the reason that many Western men have yellow fever is also due in part to our preference for women who display femininity and strength of character while refraining from in-your-face mock male ritualism. It's not the dainty lotus blossom most of us are after. Oh, and I did fine dating-wise in the States, thank you very much. McGarrett is a handsome devil, ya know.
5. It's radical feminism (which some Western women here might or might not be adopting wholesale) that often commodifies and objectifies Asian women as frail and less than outspoken. I'm married to a Chinese woman who in public tends to be reserved but hardly at home with me. And she is hardly the exception, having dated dozens of other Asian women before her.
Enough said. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Praise for Troll-Bait |
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On a more important note,
I'd like to congratulate you, Troll Man for a most excellent avatar. The boys in Aurora, Illinois public access television are most pleased. Jenny, file this for Chin Ho, please. |
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cameron.mayo

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Location: Western Hemisphere
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Hawaii 50: You raised some good points. Western women dating a Korean man, yup who gives a toss, jump right in I say.
The original post was a simple question, which as usual was rail-roaded into some weird SH^T about fetishism, white dudes not being able to score at home etc...
Yellow Fever, jungle fever, white lightening fever; as a hot-blooded male I've got 'em all 'nuff said. |
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krisinkorea
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Location: Not too far from Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: girlfriends/boyfriends |
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Honestly, to each his own. Nonetheless, most had interesting replies.
And on the note of Korean boyfriends or oriental boyfriends. Just wanted an opinion as I've seen many foreign men get confused....faces contorting....struggling...and staring when my foreign female friends are out with their Korean boyfriends. From what I've seen....and I'm not an expert by any means...but there are a few men out there who seem to have a hard time accepting a white woman with a Korean boyfriend. I think men are territorial and it's very entertaining.
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I think men are territorial and it's very entertaining.
As are women in many cases...
They even vocalize it sometimes with comments such as:
I see you got yourself a token girlfriend.
Whats the matter can't handle a "real" woman?
Oh you just like submissive women.
She is out to get a ticket out of here thats why she dates you.
These were all heard over the years here, some directed at me, others at couples we hang out with or ar passing comments...
Very entertaining as well. |
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cameron.mayo

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Location: Western Hemisphere
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Kris: I agree with Homer, women are extremely territorial its just more subtle. For example, from what I've witnessed from 98% of women, under no circumstances are their boyfriends to engage in chatter with other women, it will simply be kyboshed by the girlfriend. The gf will usually give dagger eyes to the offending women and in most cases the boyfriend will be unawares as to why a seemingly innocent conversation was abruptly terminated. Also for example if I'm chatting to a women I work with and another sees it, they will coming running over and try to 'get the attention' away from their competitor...I find this desparation very boring, they are playing some game amongst themselves that Iam aware of (tho excluded from) but the irony is I have no interest in either women...fags (sorry to be blunt) play the same game. F^gs (not sorry to be blunt) I believe learn these tricks and take their cues from seeing women interact. Often I would just like to have a normal conversation but there is always an under-current of subtext going on that feels wierd to me....
Personally I was never into Asian women untill I went to Thailand. And now you could say pretty much Asian women turn my head big time. I like exploring the differences, I like the mystery behind the eyes. They hold alot of them selves back and sometimes you never know what they're thinking. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Kris: I agree with Homer, women are extremely territorial its just more subtle. |
Here's a classic work situation that I've encountered a lot being in heavily male dominated industries:
1) Middle aged woman is the only woman in the department. She gets a lot of attention from the males.
2) They hire a younger woman to be her assistant. The new woman gets all the subtle male coworker attention.
3) Middle aged woman turns into a huge dragon queen to the younger woman. |
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krisinkorea
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Location: Not too far from Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Wow, I know this conversation could go around in circles.
I know first hand how catty women can be. Women are bred to dislike each other and compete for male attention. Sad but, true. What's that old saying...men solve problems by throwing a couple of fists and then buy each other a beer. Then there are women who can be passive aggressive. This wiser ones fight that urge or pretend it's not there. Age and security probably plays a huge roll. Not all women, like that attention from men when it's given. It can turn from flattering to plain annoying. Good looking women, good looking men they have to deal with that. Then they become headcases in more ways than one.
What's also sad is that the woman who is the "only woman" in the department probably struggles with both sides. Trying to do her job.....in places that many women don't venture, dominated by male coworkers. And trying to be the woman's friend who is still learning her job. That's a simple way of putting it.
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merlot

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: |
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I know first hand how catty women can be.
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Yes. catty--those types drive me to putting Scotch in my milk. But they do make good golf companions. |
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SirFink

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| cameron.mayo wrote: |
| I like the mystery behind the eyes. They hold alot of them selves back and sometimes you never know what they're thinking. |
Unlike white women, who are completely transparent.  |
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cameron.mayo

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Location: Western Hemisphere
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| I admire that (those) women who are able to venture into male dominated terrain. I worked @ Microsoft for years and my boss was a young women incharge of 28 males, talk about skewed stats! Hats of too her...as I said earlier in the thread you'd never see men venture into female dominated terrain, they just dont like the feeling of being disempowered by being inthe minority. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
I think men are territorial and it's very entertaining.
As are women in many cases...
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Unfortunately this is often true. OJ's defence deliberately skewed the jury with black women for this reason, and got the result they were after. Some of those women were mad as hell that a white girl had taken their football hero.
However, there is a lot of crap about how we white women are oh so jealous of white guys out with Korean girls. Another woman I know has got so that she daren't look in the direction of a white guy out with a k girl, for fear of seeming jealous or having some problem with it. She only felt this paranoia after she began reading Dave's. She herself has been happily married to a k guy for many years and doesn't give a shyte about who anyone else dates. Me neither. I know some of you find it difficult to believe, but we just couldn't give a rat's arrse about who you want to jump/marry/look at/talk to. I'm happily married to a non-westerner myself, and I really don't give a shyte about what any of you do.
But it seems that many of the (male) posters on Daves would love to stereotype us all as seething jealous bitter betrayed ugly white females who refuse even to wear miniskirts and highheels for God's sakes - what spoilers!! I guess it makes some of you guys feel a little special to fantasize that we all really care so much about what you do. There's some kind of schadenfreud going on that feels especially delicious to some of you fellows. I wonder why? One can't help wondering if you often got looked over by the girls back home - and thus the sudden glee and enthusiasm you feel for dissing western women. It's juvenile.
Myself, I've never met a white guy in Korea I'd consider marrying - so I've no problem with a k girl taking 'my place'! That's said, I'm sure there are plenty of white men in Korea I would find attractive but, sadly, none of them have ever crossed my path! This is not an ideal place for meeting up with western men, as they are fairly few and far between and most of them seem straight out of university and very wet behind the ears. Early on, I 'broadened my criteria' and went out with an American guy I would never have even briefly considered if I'd been back home. I guess I was bored, and we soon went our seperate ways. I later heard he married a k girl, and I was very happy to hear it as I thought he was a lost soul who really needed someone to love him. I hope it works for him.
Despite not meeting any whiteys that bowled me over, I have met some great men to chat and have a beer with, and I've not cared a tuppence if they had a k gf or k wife. It wasn't until I started reading Dave's that I realised just how much I was supposed to be fretting about it. Really! There are some really cool western men on this forum, JongoGuru and Wangja come first to mind, but there are a host of others. And guess what, I really wouldn't be surprised if, living in Korea, they were partnered up with k girls, and I wouldn't give a bloody shyte. It's not my concern and it's not very interesting.
As for it being only those wicked radical feminists who've been putting it about that asian women are all submissive and passive - grow up. I've never read any feminist literature spouting such cr a p. If you have, please quote me a source. On the other hand, there's plenty of pornographic literature that 'objectifies and commodifies' pliable passive asian women - ever browsed Asian Babes? I suspect that the 'radical feminists' to whom you refer were more likely being critical of certain cultural tendencies, and the ideal that women in Asian countries are supposed to adhere to. In my experience it's mostly men themselves who've had this wonderful little fantasy, and it's they who've been the most surprised to discover this aint so. Any man or woman who holds this belief is a silly and ignorant bugger - but prejudice is alive and well in the world and always will be. Just listen to what some of your students have to say about us whiteys! |
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