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fiveeagles
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 Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: North Korea Condemns U.S. Drill With South |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189188,00.html
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea warned Thursday it will react to upcoming joint U.S-South Korean joint military exercises with a "strong measure of self-defense," condemning the drill as a preparation for a nuclear attack on the North. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| This is the same thing they say every year. Why is this year different? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess because I live here now. Now it gets more precedence in my life. |
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red headed stranger
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just more of lil' Kim's annual chest thumping. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| I guess because I live here now. Now it gets more precedence in my life. |
Ive heard that every year for 4 years now. Its crap. Its more of that little "man's" whining. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Its more of that little "man's" whining. |
Get used to it- it's a proven and emulated strategy of the NK regime, not just a "little man's whining" or a "whacko" spouting off.
Look at the evidence- North Korea has been able to pursue its money and influence accumulating ventures largely unhindered, such as counterfeiting currency, drug dealing, arms exporting, and furthermore it has been able to retain a seat at the negotiating table with the big powers such as China, Japan, and US.
These are not foreign policy successes which could be pulled off by a country at the mercy of a megalomaniacal whacko. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Its more of that little "man's" whining. |
Get used to it- it's a proven and emulated strategy of the NK regime, not just a "little man's whining" or a "whacko" spouting off.
Look at the evidence- North Korea has been able to pursue its money and influence accumulating ventures largely unhindered, such as counterfeiting currency, drug dealing, arms exporting, and furthermore it has been able to retain a seat at the negotiating table with the big powers such as China, Japan, and US.
These are not foreign policy successes which could be pulled off by a country at the mercy of a megalomaniacal whacko. |
The only reason thats been the case is because South Korea has had two jackass presidents in a row. DJ, who bought himself a Nobel peace prize for several hundred million dollars of what was basically a pay off to NK for the stupidly iditoic Inter Korean Summit..and now this communist appeasing president. Neither has had the guts to stand up to that pathetic fat clown up north, and their failed sunshine policy is nothing but bending over and taking it. I dont think NK has been successful on their own. Its more a case of SK being lead by two incompetent fools for a decade. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's not.
The fact that you take the North Koreans at their word should clue you in that something's not right in your analysis of the situation.
But let me know when you're ready to get past the "I'm crazy! Hold me back!" rhetoric- it seems to be a hurdle you're having trouble clearing. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The the North's announcement we now know spring is offically here. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I dont take them at their word. You misunderstood my post.
What I'm saying is that the Norks only have what they have because SK has had 2 jackass presidents in a row.
What I want to see is a president who:
-doesnt bend over for NK.
-will halt all shipments of rice, fertilizer, money to NK unless NK actually does something to earn trust.
-will shut down all businesses that put money in KJI's pockets. Keasong is a good start. It makes KJI rich and uses what is practically slave labor. Its sick.
-will join the PSI and help stop NK's smuggling of counterfeit money, drugs and weapons.
-will confront NK about human rights
-will call a spade a spade: KJI is a criminal and the people who disappeared were abducted and/or kidnapped.
I could respect that sort of president. Not this weak little commie appeaser in the Blue House now or the pathetic joke who bought himself a Nobel Peace Prize for Samsung's money. Neither deserve any of my respect. DJ's peace prize is like smearing doodoo on peace prizes of people who actually deserved them.
As far as this statement by NK goes. It is what it has always been. The pathetic ramblings of a fat troll running that shit vomit kingdom. Thats all it has ever been. Its best to ignore the little shit because he doesnt deserve to be acknowledged. Just destroyed. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
I dont take them at their word. You misunderstood my post.
What I'm saying is that the Norks only have what they have because SK has had 2 jackass presidents in a row.
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No, I think I understood clearly.
In past posts on the subject you have said that KJI is a whacko and that current NK rhetoric is written off as a 'little man whining'.
As has been mentioned before, you are of the opinion that going back to a hardline will make NK easier to deal with.
And as I have said before, I disagree.
But of course now we are starting to talk past each other and re-stating our arguments again and again.
And the past 2 presidents may have been jackasses, but they are inconsequential, and any ROK president will remain so as long as the Norks can string along the US China Russia and Japan, and hold 6 party talks.
This is why they refuse to hold bilateral talks with ROK despite repeated attempts to get them to that table.
There is a pattern here that pre-dates the last 2 presidential administrations.
And I think you are discounting KDJ- there was a lot of hope, when he was invited to Pyongyang, that the Sunshine policy was going to bear fruit. It wasn't until later that people realized that the Norks had used that as their own PR scoop and had no intentions of following up. And then there were the inevitable scandals regarding payments to the North and it became obvious that the policy as played out was a bust. But as I said, at the beginning of his administration, there was a lot of hope.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
I dont take them at their word. You misunderstood my post.
What I'm saying is that the Norks only have what they have because SK has had 2 jackass presidents in a row.
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No I understood clearly.
As has been mentioned before you are of the opinion that going back to a hardline will make NK easier to deal with. As I have said before, I disagree.
And the past 2 presidents may have been jackasses, but they are inconsequiential as long as the Norks can string along the US China Russia and Japan.
But of course now we are simply talking past each other and re-stating our arguments again and again. |
The Chinese and the Russians are a seperate issue. Im of the belief that if SK was firmly in Japan's and America's camp and these 3 presented a strong, unwavering and tough approach to NK that included all that I mentioned, the situation would be different. The Russians are too poor to offer the Norks too much while the Chinese are forced to. Putting 100% of the burden on the Chinese to prop up the Norks would probably force the Chinese to rethink how that treat NK. Right now having NK act like this makes sense for Beijing. The US has to worry about NK and that leaves some room for maneouvering vis a vis Taiwan. But make the costs of propping up NK highly outstrip the rewards and you may get somewhere.
In the end, my position is that the US, ROK and Japan cant do much by themselves in terms of directly making NK do anything. But they can make the burden of propping up NK much heavier for Beijing. In the end the hammer will have to come from Beijing. Currently, the US and japan cant do much because Seoul is too busy bending over for NK. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree with just about everything you've said, so from my perspective there's no point in continuing this. Have a nice night. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| I guess because I live here now. Now it gets more precedence in my life. |
Good answer!! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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What I want to see is a president who:
-doesnt bend over for NK.
-will halt all shipments of rice, fertilizer, money to NK unless NK actually does something to earn trust.
-will shut down all businesses that put money in KJI's pockets. Keasong is a good start. It makes KJI rich and uses what is practically slave labor. Its sick.
-will join the PSI and help stop NK's smuggling of counterfeit money, drugs and weapons.
-will confront NK about human rights
-will call a spade a spade: KJI is a criminal and the people who disappeared were abducted and/or kidnapped.
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Okay. Let's say you get a president like that. Would you care to provide us with a scenario about what's supposed to happen after SK starts making all these demands?
I think the Sunshine crowd and the "get tough" crowd both make the same mistake, ie. they overestimate the influence that South Korea has over the North. I agree with Bulsajo that SK remains largely irrelevant, in comparison to NK's other international contacts.
I've seen a few articles recently about China's economic development at or near the NK border, and how South Korean policy wonks are starting to worry that Seoul will soon be eclipsed by Beijing in terms of influence over the North. And remember when KJI went to China for some sort of consultation a few months back, and neither North Korea or China felt obligated even to tell the South where he was? |
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