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gaga
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: France
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 Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: diploma from non-anglophone country |
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| Hey, I have a BA from the US and a �Ma�trise� from France. Do you think that the second might help my job-hunting chances even though it has nothing to do with the English language? If yes, then are they going to ask me to get that diploma notarised by the French consulate? Who are �they� anyways? I mean, is the notarisation of the diploma for the school authorities or the immigration folks? |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| "They" are immigration. About the only time that you will need the notarised version of a master's is for when you apply for an E-1(professor's) visa - usu only available through private unis. If where you're applying requires you to send a notarised copy, it wouldn't hurt to have one to be safe - that's also assuming the Matrise is recognized by immigration. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Masters from a non-English country will not be recognized for ESL work visas.
It could help you if you apply to teach French however.... |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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For an E2 visa the basic requirement is the BA you have, and the fact that you have a passport from a country who's citizens can get E2s. Other than that your maitrise is just one more thing to put on your CV to beef it up.
As far as getting it notarized, it wouldn't hurt. But as was mentioned above you will only really need it if you teach in a university.
Also for those who might assume that a maitrise from the French system is equal to a master's degree, it isn't. Although I am not saying you shouldn't apply for university positions, many university teachers only have BAs.
Good luck on the job search front. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a Maitrise aswell as my English BA, but I didn't mention it on my CV when applying for jobs in Korea. It would be too much hassle to explain what it meant and get transcripts from abroad. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Masters from a non-English country will not be recognized for ESL work visas.. |
What if it's a Master's in TESOL from a Korean or other Asian universitgy? |
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prorohiv
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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prorohiv
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: undergrad degree from a non-English speaking country? |
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Hey folks, just a little question to add. What if I'm a native-English speaker (which I am), with an undergrad degree (3 or 4 year B.A. majoring in English) from a non-English speaking European country (which I did as it was cheaper than student loans back home)...
Do I still meet the requirements for teaching? I'm looking into an F-2 as well (if I end up marrying my Korean girlfriend). Any ideas?
Oh and btw Jay-shi, talk about being mis-informed, dude all you have to do is look on the UNESCO website to get a list of international degree equivalences. Granted, a Masters from a top college in the US is better quality than some countries, but I know for a fact that a french Maitrise (5 years of study) is internationally recognized as the equivalent of a US postgrad degree/Masters. Now, whether or not Mr. Kim in his Hagwon is gonna accept it as such is a whole nother story, hence my question.
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: undergrad degree from a non-English speaking country? |
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| prorohiv wrote: |
Oh and btw Jay-shi, talk about being mis-informed, dude all you have to do is look on the UNESCO website to get a list of international degree equivalences. Granted, a Masters from a top college in the US is better quality than some countries, but I know for a fact that a french Maitrise (5 years of study) is internationally recognized as the equivalent of a US postgrad degree/Masters. Now, whether or not Mr. Kim in his Hagwon is gonna accept it as such is a whole nother story, hence my question.
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Maybe you have the Maitrise and the Mastere (Maitrise+DEA) confused, where the Mastere is 5 years of post-secondary studies. By all evidence the Maitrise falls somewhere between a BA and an MA.
http://www.afii.fr/France/Living/Education/?l=en
University studies are divided into three cycles:
Premier cycle consists of 2 years of general studies leading towards the DEUG (diplôme d'études universitaires générales, bac + 1).
Deuxième cycle is divided into licence, obtained during the first year of the cycle (bac + 2), and maîtrise, the second year (bac + 3). Outside of national diplomas awarded at this level, other diplomas may be awarded by a university or establishment.
Troisième cycle consists of either further specialization in a subject matter leading towards a DESS (diplôme d'études supérieurs spécialisées, bac + 5) or research in an area of study leading towards a DEA (diplôme d'études approfondies, bac + 5) and eventual a doctorat (bac + 8 ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_degree#France
France
In France, a traditional diploma was the maîtrise (which translates literally as "master's qualification") after 4 years of studies. This diploma becomes the first year of the Masters program, often referred to as M1. Because of this change, legal texts specifying a maîtrise (for instance, those defining the conditions for the external agrégation) had to be amended. The Masters programs subsume the former DEA (research-oriented 1-year degree), and DESS (industry-oriented 1-year degree), which become the second year of the Master (M2).
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/920132#2253632
La maitrise is between a BA and an MA
Sorry, you're wrong about a Maitrîse being a three-year degree – I know, I have one. The French university degrees are the DEUG (2 years); the License (1 more year, so 3 years in all); the Maitrîse (again, 1 more year, so 4 years in all); the DEA (1 more year, so 5 years in all). After that, it's on to the Doctorat. The license is the equivalent of a Bachelors, the DEA is the equivalent of a Masters, and the Maitrîse is somewhat unhappily inbetween (unhappily for translation purposes, and for people who want to validate their French degrees in the UK . I don't know about the US). I am 100% sure of this.
http://www.answers.com/topic/bologna-process
In contrast to the anglo-saxon system, the french academic system does not use undergraduate education : every student choose a peculiar field of studies on his matriculation at the University. The french term for academic degree is grade universitaire.
The first degree, called the baccalauréat, ended the secondary education and allowed students to enter University. It was then followed by the Diplôme d'études universitaires générales or DEUG, which took two years, followed by a third year, the licence. The licence is roughly the equivalent of the Oxford B. A.. After licence, student could choose to enter the maîtrise, which was a one-year research degree. The maîtrise could be followed by either a work-oriented one-year degree, the diplôme d'études supérieures spécialisées or DESS, or a one-year research degree, the Diplôme d'études approfondies or DEA. The DEA was a year of preparation for a doctorate, and could be considered equivalent to a M. Phil.. After DEA, students pursued on doctorat for three years at least.
The baccalauréat and the doctorat status are unchanged in the new Bologna system, but the DEUG and the old licence are merged in a new, three-years, licence, as the maîtrise, the DESS and the DEA in a master of two years, which can be work-oriented (master professionnel) or research-oriented (master recherche).[img][/img] |
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prorohiv
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Good, on you Jay-shi. You know your stuff. Apparently I thought I did but really didn't. I've got to hand it you. |
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