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Hyalucent
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: British North America
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More on the Humane Society's plunge into deceit... 
http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_seafoodboycott20060327.html
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Chef unaware of seafood boycott
The Humane Society of the United States says its boycott of Canadian seafood products is working, even though at least one prominent chef was not aware his name was being used to promote an end to the Canadian seal hunt.
As well, a food industry lobby group in the U.S. says the campaign's claim that nearly 300 companies have signed on is bogus. |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Stop me if you've heard this one:
So, a baby seal walks into a club....
(ba-dum bum) |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Great idea  lets boycott Canadian seafood so the fishermen have to club even more seals to make up for the lack of money caused by a stupid boycott  Someone thought this through real good |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyalucent wrote: |
More on the Humane Society's plunge into deceit...
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You beat me to it. This certainly isn't the way to sway any fence-sitters (like myself) over to the cause.
The following is put out by the government (Fisheries & Oceans Canada) which of course- in some eyes- automatically discredits it in its entirety, but FWIW:
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/myth_e.htm
ATLANTIC CANADA SEAL HUNT
MYTHS AND REALITIES
[ Adobe Acrobat (PDF) ]
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Myth #1: The Canadian government allows sealers to kill whitecoat seals.
Reality: The image of the whitecoat harp seal is used prominently by seal hunt opponents. This image gives the false impression that vulnerable seal pups are targeted by sealers during the commercial hunt.
The hunting of harp seal pups (whitecoats) and hooded seal pups (bluebacks) is illegal – and has been since 1987. Marine Mammal Regulations prohibit the trade, sale or barter of the fur of these pups. Furthermore, adult seals cannot be harvested when they are in breeding or birthing grounds and younger seals must be weaned, self-reliant and independent.
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Myth #2: Seals are being skinned alive.
Reality: A 2002 independent veterinarians�� report published in the Canadian Veterinary Journal and numerous reports mentioned by the Malouf Commission (1987) indicate that this is not true.
Sometimes a seal may appear to be moving after it has been killed; however seals have a swimming reflex that is active – even after death. This reflex gives the false impression that the animal is still alive when it is clearly dead – similar to the reflex in chickens.
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Myth #3: The club – or hakapik – is a barbaric and inhumane tool that has no place in today��s world.
Reality: Hunting methods were studied by the Royal Commission on Seals and Sealing in Canada and it found that the clubbing of seals, when properly performed, is at least as humane as, and often more humane than, the killing methods used in commercial slaughterhouses, which are accepted by the majority of the public.
Clubs have been used by sealers since the onset of the hunt hundreds of years ago. Hakapiks originated with Norwegian sealers who found it very effective. American studies carried out between 1969 and 1972 proved that the club or hakapik is an efficient tool designed to kill the animal quickly and humanely. A 2002 report published in the Canadian Veterinary Journal had results that parallel these findings.
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Myth #4: The Canadian government is allowing sealers to kill thousands of seals to help with the recovery of cod stocks.
Reality: Several factors have contributed to the lack of recovery of Atlantic cod stocks, such as fishing effort, poor growth and physical condition of the fish, and environmental changes.
In addition, there are many uncertainties in the estimates of the amount of fish consumed by seals. The commercial quota is established on sound conservation principles, not an attempt to assist in the recovery of groundfish stocks.
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Myth #5: The hunt is unsustainable and is endangering the harp seal population.
Reality: Since the 1960��s, environmental groups have been saying the seal hunt is unsustainable. In fact, the harp seal population is healthy and abundant. According to a 2004 survey, the Northwest Atlantic harp seal population is now estimated at approximately 5.8 million animals, nearly triple what it was in the 1970s.
DFO sets quotas at levels that ensure the health and abundance of seal herds. In no way are seals - and harp seals in particular – an ��endangered species��.
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Myth #6: The seal hunt provides such low economic return for sealers that it is not an economically viable industry.
Reality: The 2005 seal hunt was one of the most profitable in memory. Given favourable market conditions in 2005, the landed value of the harp seal hunt exceeded $16.5 million.
Seals are a significant source of income for some individual sealers and for thousands of families in Eastern Canada at a time of year when other fishing options are limited at best, in many remote, coastal communities. Sealing also creates employment opportunities for buying and processing plants.
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Myth #7: Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) provides subsidies for the seal hunt.
Reality: DFO does not subsidize the seal hunt. Sealing is an economically viable industry. All subsidies ceased in 2001. Even before that time, any subsidies provided were for market and product development, including a meat subsidy, to encourage full use of the seal. In fact, government has provided much less subsidization to the sealing industry than recommended by the Royal Commission on Seals and Sealing.
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Myth #8: The seal hunt is loosely monitored and DFO doesn��t punish illegal hunting activity or practices.
Reality: The seal hunt is closely monitored and tightly regulated. Fishery Officers conduct surveillance of the hunt by means of aerial patrols, surface (vessel) patrols, dockside inspections of vessels at landing sites and inspections at buying and processing facilities.
Infractions are taken seriously and sealers who fail to comply with Canada��s Marine Mammal Regulations are penalized. The consequences of such illegal actions could include court-imposed fines and the forfeiting of catches, fishing gear, vessels and licences.
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Myth #9: The majority of Canadians are opposed to the seal hunt.
Reality: Animal rights groups currently campaigning against the seal hunt cite a 2004 Ipsos‑Reid poll stating that the majority of Canadians are opposed to the hunt. In fact, Canadians support federal policies regarding the seal hunt. An Ipsos-Reid survey conducted in February 2005 concluded that 60% of Canadians are in favour of a responsible hunt.
More info here:
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/index_e.htm |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you sure that you're not mythtaken?... |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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You believe in Karma, right?
One day, when you get slapped for no apparent reason, I want you to think back on this terrible pun...
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I tried seal when I lived in Newfoundland. Tastes awful and gives you the trots.
Newfoundland is a big province, incorporating both the island and Labrador, where a small part of the population is involved in sealing. Boycotting Canadian seafood would do very little to affect this small industry. Locals eat the meat themselves and export the skins.
It's unfortunate that the goal is honorable--protecting or at least making the culls more humane--but going after a B.C. fisherman instead of the fur industry accomplishes nothing but making people laugh at you.
Ken:> |
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Bulsajo
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Drifter
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: where can I buy Canadian Seafood? |
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Does anyone know where I can buy Canadian seafood in Korea?
The only reason people are so upset over this seal hunt is cause the seals are so cuttttte.
Meanwhile there is near silence on the horrific condtions for animals in many factory farms.
I guess it's easier to pick on poor rural people than huge corporations. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyalucent wrote: |
More on the Humane Society's plunge into deceit...
http://www.cbc.ca/nb/story/nb_seafoodboycott20060327.html
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Chef unaware of seafood boycott
The Humane Society of the United States says its boycott of Canadian seafood products is working, even though at least one prominent chef was not aware his name was being used to promote an end to the Canadian seal hunt.
As well, a food industry lobby group in the U.S. says the campaign's claim that nearly 300 companies have signed on is bogus. |
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I read that the other day and thought of this thread. Oh good stuff. Another plus in the ol' animal rights column. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Sealing the Deal |
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mindmetoo:
You mean the "getting ol' animal rights column."
My wife has a nice sable coat. Looks great on her too. And it was my idea. She's Asian and I thought I'd promote the industry. Just thought you might like to know.
Let's see: one plus, another minus equals NOTHING gained. Dang-a-dang dang. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, more to the point, people who eat seafood (a living animal) should boycott the killing of another living animal. If you're against eating animals, okay great. But in for a penny, in for a pound. |
Exactly. I wonder how many of these supposed boycotters have leather accessories. People boast about how rationalism is a pillar of western thought and yet we determine what we can eat and use by its cuteness. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the Deal |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
mindmetoo:
You mean the "getting ol' animal rights column."
My wife has a nice sable coat. Looks great on her too. And it was my idea. She's Asian and I thought I'd promote the industry. Just thought you might like to know.
Let's see: one plus, another minus equals NOTHING gained. Dang-a-dang dang. |
What I mean, via sarcasm, is a high profile group publishing a pack of lies the pulled out of their ass is a black mark. Not really a plus in their favor.
While I'm not sure of the track record of the Humane Society, the PETA people are just off the deep end in terms of logical, reasoned debate and the honest use of facts. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Now both Pamela Anderson and Brigitte Bardot want to have a word with the PM about the seal hunts. People sure are wound up about this. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: The Trouble with Tribbles |
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Just like that great old Star Trek episode, it's much ado about nothing. The Far Left will always need its causes to get off in a big way. They crave attention: they are mostly media wh*ores. Jane Fonda, Bridgett Bardot, Pamela Anderson: a real braintrust there. All washed up actors; the latter two of questionable talent even in their heyday. Anything for a headline.
What the Far Left in North America and elsewhere lacks is any sense of proportionality. Which is why they don't even hesitate to compare Bush in the same breath to Hitler, as if one could equate the two regardless of one's political leanings.
Hyperbole reigns supreme. Wonder what Eric Blair would have said of all of this. |
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