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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Disgusting behaviour from ajoshi on the subway. Reply with quote

Yesterday, while taking the subway I was on the phone to a Korean friend. Sat next to me was an ajoshi and his wife. About four minutes into the phone call the following conversation ensued, (the gist of it)

Ajoshi - �� ��������!
(Hey, shut up!)

Me - (finishing the phone call) �ָ𸣴� ������� �ݸ��ؿ�?
(Why do you speak with banmal to someone you don't know?)

A - ���߳�! �ʹ��ò�����!
(*beep* off, you are too noisy)

Me - ���� �Ҹ��� ��ȭ �ϰ��־��µ���. �ֿ��ؿ�?
(I was speaking quitely though)

A - Bursts into tirade, and repeatedly swears at me. He used every Korean swear word I have ever learnt, and then some. Very very loud.

Me- ���� ���� �� �ò�����? �ѱ����� ��⵿�� ��Ҵµ� �̷��� ���ϰ� ��޹޴°��� ó���̾�! �β������� �˾ƾߵ�.
(Who is being louder now? I have lived in Korea for several years but this is the first time I have been treated like this. You should be ashamed)

A - Go back home (in English) �̱���! (assumes I am an American - I am not)

Me - �̱������Դٰ� ������? �������� �Դµ�.
(You think I am from the US? I am from the UK.

A - I then turn to his wife, �����̼���? ì��������������?
(Is he your husband? Are you not ashamed?

A's Wife - ì�Ǿ���!
(I am not ashamed)

A- He interupts and repeatedly swears. I don't understand half of what he is saying. He is going wild.

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At this point a woman in here forties swaps places with me and surprisingly defends me. She tells him he is a bigot, and that he is too noisy. He then rounds on her asking why she would defend a foreigner, and repeatedly swears at her too. At this point, several middle aged men sat opposite shout at him, and tell him to shut up. At this point he realises he doesn't have any support so offers a weak apology to them. By chance, me, the woman who helped me, and the ajoshi alight at the same station. On the platform he attempts to grab the woman who defended me, but is restrained by his wife. Everyone seperates, and I exit the station. I can honestly say, that was the worst experience I have encountered during my time in Korea. The guy didn't even seem drunk. In England, I would have found it difficult to resist hitting him. (I am not big, but he was about 5'6.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you handled that situation superbly. And it's assuring to hear of the majority of Koreans being reasonable in a situation like that.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fUNNY! Wish I could have witnessed it. I would have covertly spit a huge hawker on me fingers and flung it on his back as he was walking away. Very Happy
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeahn well done. I'm pleased with how the Koreans reacted to him and you behaved with dignity and reason, he got mad because he lost face, he made himself look like a fool and he blamed you for it.

Fortunately the Ajoshi Dinosaur is a dying out breed.

I find the old Korean guys to be often very friendly and pleasant, it is the middle aged ones who can be a pain in the arse.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Disgusting behaviour from ajoshi on the subway. Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:
Yesterday, while taking the subway I was on the phone to a Korean friend. Sat next to me was an ajoshi and his wife. About four minutes into the phone call the following conversation ensued, (the gist of it)

Ajoshi - �� ��������!
(Hey, shut up!)

Me - (finishing the phone call) �ָ𸣴� ������� �ݸ��ؿ�?
(Why do you speak with banmal to someone you don't know?)

A - ���߳�! �ʹ��ò�����!
(*beep* off, you are too noisy)

Me - ���� �Ҹ��� ��ȭ �ϰ��־��µ���. �ֿ��ؿ�?
(I was speaking quitely though)

A - Bursts into tirade, and repeatedly swears at me. He used every Korean swear word I have ever learnt, and then some. Very very loud.

Me- ���� ���� �� �ò�����? �ѱ����� ��⵿�� ��Ҵµ� �̷��� ���ϰ� ��޹޴°��� ó���̾�! �β������� �˾ƾߵ�.
(Who is being louder now? I have lived in Korea for several years but this is the first time I have been treated like this. You should be ashamed)

A - Go back home (in English) �̱���! (assumes I am an American - I am not)

Me - �̱������Դٰ� ������? �������� �Դµ�.
(You think I am from the US? I am from the UK.

A - I then turn to his wife, �����̼���? ì��������������?
(Is he your husband? Are you not ashamed?

A's Wife - ì�Ǿ���!
(I am not ashamed)

A- He interupts and repeatedly swears. I don't understand half of what he is saying. He is going wild.

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At this point a woman in here forties swaps places with me and surprisingly defends me. She tells him he is a bigot, and that he is too noisy. He then rounds on her asking why she would defend a foreigner, and repeatedly swears at her too. At this point, several middle aged men sat opposite shout at him, and tell him to shut up. At this point he realises he doesn't have any support so offers a weak apology to them. By chance, me, the woman who helped me, and the ajoshi alight at the same station. On the platform he attempts to grab the woman who defended me, but is restrained by his wife. Everyone seperates, and I exit the station. I can honestly say, that was the worst experience I have encountered during my time in Korea. The guy didn't even seem drunk. In England, I would have found it difficult to resist hitting him. (I am not big, but he was about 5'6.


What a hypocrite!!! The amount of times I have had somebody sat next to me on the subway talking VERY LOUDLY on their mobile and he has the cheek to harass you about it.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Disgusting behaviour from ajoshi on the subway. Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
What a hypocrite!!! The amount of times I have had somebody sat next to me on the subway talking VERY LOUDLY on their mobile and he has the cheek to harass you about it.


Yes it is annoying. I did actually say at some stage, "Korean people usually speak loudly on their cell phones," but didn't include it in the OP.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Disgusting behaviour from ajoshi on the subway. Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:
ilovebdt wrote:
What a hypocrite!!! The amount of times I have had somebody sat next to me on the subway talking VERY LOUDLY on their mobile and he has the cheek to harass you about it.


Yes it is annoying. I did actually say at some stage, "Korean people usually speak loudly on their cell phones," but didn't include it in the OP.


But didn't you know that English is automatically amplified 100 times by the Korean ear and sounds like a fork being scraped across a chalkboard? I'm surprised the conductor himself didn't pull the damn train over, open his door of doom, and kick your ass off the train on the spot.

For some reason, English being spoken in a public place seems to grate people's nerves here. I've been on buses before, talking with friends at a respectable volume, and have been yelled at about it. People like that deserve to be smacked.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last Friday night some of my friends got into a huge screaming argument and the whole bar came to a stop and was starring at us. I can only imagine how that sounded to them.
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

several times i've been laughing my head off at a story my friend has told on the subway, and we have always got at least sideways dirty glances. I have twice been told to shut up and cursed out by the halmonis who seem intent on ruining the fun.
Unfortunately, we didn't have the knowledge the OP had in Korean (well done by the way!) so we just sorta looked sheepish for a few minutes...then busted right back into the laughter...
Itwas great.
sorry lady, it was a funny story and i couldn't help but laugh...
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This phrase can come in handy in situations like this:

"No-noon Il-Bon Yon"...

Translated, it means "You are a Japanese b*tch"...
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had something similar happen at a gym to me. Some middle aged ajosshi decided to yell at me across the gym to be quiet. I go over to him to talk and tell him that he's being rude and he tells me the typical bigot statement "You are in (name of country) Speak (country's language)" So after talking to him and him yelling at me, I go and find the owner and talk to him. I tell what happened, and he comes back a little later showing me a picture on the computer of the guy. I say yeah that's him, and the owner tells me that he will talk to the guy. Haven' seen the bigot since. Very Happy

Sidenote, at least bigots here are smart enough to generally say it in a foriegn language, back home they'd just yell in English at a couple of foriegners.
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red headed stranger



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar experince on the KTX. There was an ajumma two rows up who was on her phone and speaking loudly for about 20 minutes. No one said anything. Later on on the trip, my wife answered a call, did the typical "yeh yeh" thing a few times and hung up. Someone got up to complain to one of the KTX workers and they actually told my wife to not use her phone anymore!
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily I have never had this problem. These people in these stories suck (the ajossis I mean).
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in one or two of these, and had Korean bystanders admonish the culprit. However, I tend to get the feeling they do it not so much because they want to help the foreigner, but because they feel it's embarrassing to their country, and consequently to themselves personally.

Actually, at the motor vehicle registry on the weekend, I saw this Canadian guy being very loud and rude (I knew he was Canadian, because he kept yelling out things like "In Canada, we don't have to do these stupid things"!). Everyone, myself included, was watching him in disgust. As I was the only other whitey in there, I thought I might cop a bit of flak by association, but it turned out that everyone who I dealt with was exceedingly nice and polite. It seemed that they actually felt sorry for me because of the way the other guy was acting. As if his actions somehow translated into a loss of face for me over which they were quite sympathetic.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that same thing happend to me back in the days when I was a subway hobbit! I was on the subway and talking on my phone as do most other people! and I talking softly not like koreans'YOBOSAYO!! YOBOSAYO!!!
YOBOSAYA!! you are in a tunnel numbnuts!!
anyway so there I am minding my own business when someone yells at me from half way down the carriage and says in English- HEY SHUT UP!
so I just stare at him and keep talking!
he repeats the process I keep ignoring him making him more angry!

another time I told a guy to *beep* OFF! and look around the carriage there are atleast 5 other people on the phone go bother them!

another time had a AJOSI ran towards me! I mean he was Blining me!
he then grabs me! and SAYS! ARE YOU AMERICAN!!
I say NO!!
he says Oh where are you from!!?
I say New zealand.. he then says! GOOD I HATE USA!!!
Im like ohhh k..

I have seen heaps of crap on the subway..glad my days of riding public transport are WAY behind me!!
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