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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: What Bush told Blair ... Reply with quote

Bush told Blair determined to invade Iraq without UN resolution or WMD

NEW YORK (AFP) - US President George W. Bush made clear to British Prime Minister Tony Blair in January 2003 that he was determined to invade Iraq without a UN resolution and even if UN arms inspectors failed to find weapons of mass destruction in the country, The New York Times reported.

Citing a confidential British memorandum, the newspaper said the president was certain that war was inevitable and made his view known during a private two-hour meeting with Blair in the Oval Office on January 31, 2003.

Information about the meeting was contained in the memo written by Blair's top foreign policy adviser and reviewed by The Times.

"Our diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning," the paper quotes David Manning, Blair's chief foreign policy adviser at the time, as noting in the memo.

" 'The start date for the military campaign was now penciled in for 10 March,' Mr. Manning wrote, paraphrasing the president. 'This was when the bombing would begin'," the paper continued.

The timetable came at an important diplomatic moment, the paper said.

Five days after the Bush-Blair meeting, then US secretary of state Colin Powell was scheduled to appear before the United Nations to present evidence that Iraq posed a threat to world security by hiding unconventional weapons.

Stamped "extremely sensitive," the five-page memorandum had not been made public, according to the report. Several highlights were first published in January in the book "Lawless World," which was written by British lawyer and international law professor Philippe Sands.

In early February, Channel 4 in London first broadcast excerpts from the memo.

But since then, The New York Times has been able to review the five-page memo in its entirety.

The document indicates the two leaders envisioned a quick victory and a transition to a new Iraqi government that would be complicated, but manageable, the paper said.

Bush predicted that it was "unlikely there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups." Blair agreed with that assessment.

The memo also shows that the president and the prime minister acknowledged that no unconventional weapons had been found inside Iraq, The Times noted.

Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the planned invasion, Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation, including a proposal to paint a US surveillance plane in the colors of the United Nations in hopes of drawing fire, or assassinating Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really a surprise. I don't think we should be harsh with Bush for ignoring the vetos (vetoes?) of China and Russia.

We should be harsh for the cavalier way he handled our traditional allies, and the slop-mop way he handled planning for the Iraq war. We should be harsh to him for the justifications given for the war, and staying well beyond the mandate of removing Saddam Hussein in order to preach democracy to people who don't seem able to handle it. We should be harsh to him especially for opening the door to torture and violent detentions that have blackened American human rights records. And we should be harsh to him for politically spinning intelligence reports with the CIA, and putting pressure on the agency to give him the results he wants.

Not listening to an outdated and outmoded and rather impotent international agency propped up by Ted Turner's generosity? Forgivable.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not listening to an outdated and outmoded and rather impotent international agency propped up by Ted Turner's generosity? Forgivable.


But if that's the way the US regards the UN, why do they stay members?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has its uses, but not so many.

Like a cheap date.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
It has its uses, but not so many.

Like a cheap date.


Speaking of cheap dates ...



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Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the "planned" invasion, Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation, including a proposal to paint a US surveillance plane in the colors of the United Nations in hopes of drawing fire, or assassinating Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.


Wasn't something like this cooked up during the Kennedy years? Straight out of Northwoods isn't it?

While possibly effective to a certain degree, the "plan" is clearly not too sophisticated. If memory seves me correct, OLD MAN BUSH was in support of something similar ( only involving ships ) as part of the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Hitler in fact pulled something similar prior to the invasion of Poland. As the story goes, he had a number of poor Polish prisoners shot, decked them out in German Army uniforms & scattered their corpses along the border. Finally the foreign media was called in as blame was placed squarely upon the Poles for their "unprovoked hostility".

Classic false flag.

Is THIS what you were getting at when you commented "IT" has its uses?
If so, you're absolutely right. Standard Operational Procedure (SOP).

SOBs & their SOPs; continually plotting the pretext for the next bloody crusade Twisted Evil
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking of cheap dates ...

How about the Rense and Zudel?



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Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the "planned" invasion, Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation, including a proposal to paint a US surveillance plane in the colors of the United Nations in hopes of drawing fire, or assassinating Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.




Wasn't something like this cooked up during the Kennedy years? Straight out of Northwoods isn't it?


No Northwoods was never done and the US was already at war with Saddam. Saddam should have given up his war.

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While possibly effective to a certain degree, the "plan" is clearly not too sophisticated. If memory seves me correct, OLD MAN BUSH was in support of something similar ( only involving ships ) as part of the Bay of Pigs fiasco.




I don't know what you are talking about

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Hitler in fact pulled something similar prior to the invasion of Poland. As the story goes, he had a number of poor Polish prisoners shot, decked them out in German Army uniforms & scattered their corpses along the border. Finally the foreign media was called in as blame was placed squarely upon the Poles for their "unprovoked hostility".


there is one difference Saddam was at war with the US before 9-11.

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Classic false flag.



Saddam had never given up his war. That is not false flag

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Is THIS what you were getting at when you commented "IT" has its uses?


No the UN ought to be used for all its worth.
The US pays like 20% costs. The UN didn't contain Saddam nor did they do much about Khomeni or the rest.

However if the US can use it then it should.


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If so, you're absolutely right. Standard Operational Procedure (SOP).

You mean the US ought to not go after those in the mideast who are out to hurt the US.

Well of course not you want to see the US hurt so you support Al Qaeda or Saddam or David Duke or anyone else who wants the US govt destroyed.

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SOBs & their SOPs; continually plotting the pretext for the next bloody crusade Twisted Evil
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Not as twisted as the people you support. Nazis ought not be allowed to come back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even Bush's Feces & Urine Are Classified Top Secret
All Of It Captured And Flown Back From Europe

Wayne Madsen/Rense.com | July 6 2006

Even Bush's crap is classified top secret. According to our Austrian sources, Austrian newspapers are currently abuzz with special security details of George W. Bush's recent trip to Vienna. Although the heavy-handed Gestapo-like security measures meted out to Viennese home owners, business proprietors, and pedestrians by US Secret Service agents and local police before and during Bush's visit received widespread Austrian media attention, it was White House "toilet security" ("TOILSEC"), which has Austrians talking the most.

The White House flew in a special portable toilet to Vienna for Bush's personal use during his visit. The Bush White House is so concerned about Bush's security, the veil of secrecy extends over the president's bodily excretions. The special port-a-john captured Bush's feces and urine and flew the waste material back to the United States in the event some enterprising foreign intelligence agency conducted a sewage pipe operation designed to trap and examine Bush's waste material.

One can only wonder why the White House is taking such extraordinary security measures for the presidential poop.

In the past, similar operations were conducted against foreign leaders to determine their medical condition. However, these intelligence operations were directed against dictators in countries where even the medical conditions of the top political leaders were considered "state secrets."

The Israeli Mossad conducted one such operation against Syrian President Hafez Assad when he visited Amman, Jordan in Feb. 1999 for the funeral of King Hussein. The Mossad and its Jordanian counterpart installed a special toilet in Assad's hotel room that led not to a pipe but to a specimen canister. Assad suffered from diabetes and cancer and the operation was designed to discover the actual medical condition of the ailing leader.

During Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev's visit to Washington in 1987, the CIA reportedly placed a special trap under a sewage tank to collect the Soviet leader's bodily waste for analysis.

More recently, the CIA was reported to have collected waste samples from Ugandan President-dictator Yoweri Museveni's toilet when he visited Washington.

Even Bush's toilet paper was flown in from the U.S. Air Base at Ramstein, Germany. In addition, Bush's food was flown in from the United States and tested with special chemicals before he ate it. Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, who was shot by a firing squad in 1989, was the last major European leader to constantly use a food tester.

The last frequent state visitor to Vienna, who always relied on a food tester, was Adolf Hitler.
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