Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Does Korea hire asian- lookingAmericans??
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Amai



Joined: 25 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Does Korea hire asian- lookingAmericans?? Reply with quote

Hey guys,

Thanks for all your help with the visa stuff. Very helpful!

Another questions: My last name is Lee. My father is Chinese, my mother is white. I am having alot of difficulty finding a job/having people answer my resume!! And the ones who do, say they want another picture, another "look". Can someone please explain to me whats going on? Last time I worked under the name Johnson, as I was married at 21.

Thanks!

Amai Lee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a pronounced preference for a 'white face' here. That does NOT mean you won't find a job, but it does mean you'll have to look longer. So far you have been running into blatant cases of discrimination by Asians against another (semi) Asian.

You might want to consider using the name Johnson again, but I don't know how much help that will be. The picture seems to be the problem. About all you can do is paste a big smile on your face and look as friendly as possible.

What age level are you aiming for? You might have more luck in the public school or English Camp areas. Hakwons seem to be the worst about discriminating. (That's my impression, anyway.)

I hate to use a dirty word with a total stranger, but think about using a recruiter. They are likely to know which places are willing to hire people with Asian features.

There is a thread called "Recruiting in Korea" by Angelus. He's a teacher/part-time recruiter. He addresses your problem. You might want to PM him and ask his advice. From his posts, he seems like a decent sort.

Good luck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will have difficulty finding a job. That being said, you can most definitely still find a job, it's just going to take longer. Good luck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't worry about jobs that don't answer because, really, it just shows what kind of place they are. Look into public school jobs (just missed the hiring season unfortunately) and the English Villages. Also, there are good hagwons that'll hire you, but make sure that the recruiter is reputable. Try worknplay.co.kr
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canuckistan
Mod Team
Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you teach Chinese as well? Lots of Korean kids take Chinese classes!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you can find work. The demand for English education is just too high.

I just met a Korean-American working at a hagwon here on the island.

It's harder, I hear, but not impossible. The bigger the academy, the better the chance, as the small ones need their token waygook-looking teacher for the parents.

And the pay may be less.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The public school system is your best bet. Their next hiring season will be in the summer but there might be some desperate foreigner-less school that will snap you up.

My advice would be to contact every recruiter possible. I have personally had very good experiences with ETIK and ESL Job Bank. Make sure your resume is in the best shape it can be and be as charming as possible in any interview you get.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before maybe I would say it was difficult for you to get a job...


However nowdays you should little problem at all, especially if you choose to live outside Seoul and Busan as even public schools are getting desperate for anyone to fill their positions due to the new govt program..

It really is a teachers market out there..

In the town i live in there are many more public schools and hagwons looking than applicants to fill them....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Golden Lama



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Left-of-Centre of the Universe

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: It should be easy in the public system. Reply with quote

I just started working in Korea after stints in a few other countries and it seems that this is one of the few places where Asian English-first-language speakers have a good shot at finding work. The only other country where I worked with people of ethnicities beside caucasion was Japan.

Everybody who told you that public was the way to go is spot on. The EPIK programme always needs teachers and they'll place you in a public school. Of course, you might want to look into news about EPIK where you can find it to make an informed choice.

The recruiter that I went through was GlobalEdu and the director's name is Alexis Wong. You can find them on the net, I'm sure.

Send them your resume and the next hiring session should see you with a good shot; especially if you've got experience.

Good luck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sparticus



Joined: 03 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am an Asian Canadian female and I initially had trouble finding a job with my recruiter from Oxford Seminars. She told me that people didn't want to hire me because I had an Asian face. Employers will typically use foreigners on their website to advertise to parents. I decided to look for jobs on my own and within days my phone was ringing off the hook. I actually applied with my boyfriend who is white so that may have made a difference. When I did my phone interviews they asked me three times more questions than my boyfriend. I guess they wanted to make sure that I can speak English. One employer told me that she hired an Asian American who then arrived in Korea and totally could not speak English. You may run into a bit of discrimination but it will not be impossible for you to find a job. I have met quite a few Asian female teachers working in Seoul. I hope this helps.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Troll_Bait



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: Re: Does Korea hire asian- lookingAmericans?? Reply with quote

Amai wrote:
Hey guys,

Thanks for all your help with the visa stuff. Very helpful!

Another questions: My last name is Lee. My father is Chinese, my mother is white. I am having alot of difficulty finding a job/having people answer my resume!! And the ones who do, say they want another picture, another "look". Can someone please explain to me whats going on? Last time I worked under the name Johnson, as I was married at 21.

Thanks!

Amai Lee


Like you, I'm half-Asian, half-white, though I look Asian enough to fool some people (I started another thread in the General Discussions Forum on this topic. I've also been spoken to in Japanese by shop-keepers in Insa-dong.). However, because of my father, I have a very English name, which appears at the top of my resume, so perhaps I've been able to dodge some of the grief that's come your way.

As far as getting a job, I think that many of the other posters gave some good information.

For example, if someone is discriminating against you because of your Asian looks, then maybe you don't want to spend at least a year working with such obviously-ignorant people.

And I think that the "And the pay may be less" statement may be more applicable to Korean-Americans/Canadians/etc. than to people of Asian heritage in general. Unfortunately, even if you were born and raised in a foreign country, if you're ethnically Korean, you're often subject to some of the same disadvantages as Korean-Koreans.

I'd like to point out getting a job might just be the beginning of your battle.

The perception here is that Canadians/Americans/Britons/Australians/New Zealanders are all white, and thus only whites are native speakers of English.

You might be asked, "Are you really a native speaker?"

When you say, "Yes," they might jerk their head sharply to the side and suck air in through their teeth, which is Korean body language for: "I'm not so sure about that."

When you correct students' mistakes or try to tell them how a native speaker would express something, they might show some obvious doubts.

Some really rude adult students might even challenge you.

I honestly feel that, at times, I've had to work twice as hard as my white co-workers just to get the same amount of respect. That's not a knock against them. It's not their fault. It's due to the ignorance here.

I'm a qualified ESL teacher. I have a CELTA and a degree in Education, specialization: TESL. However, I sometimes have to argue my case and use persuasion with my students, while these same students might hang on every word of another teacher who has blond hair or blue eyes. Said teacher may have flown in here with a Bachelor's in Pottery-glazing and no teaching experience or qualifications.

Ultimately, it may be a bit of a blessing in disguise, because you're forced to think about the rationales behind your classroom activities, etc. But it sure can be annoying.

Good luck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparticus wrote:
I am an Asian Canadian female and I initially had trouble finding a job with my recruiter from Oxford Seminars. She told me that people didn't want to hire me because I had an Asian face. Employers will typically use foreigners on their website to advertise to parents. I decided to look for jobs on my own and within days my phone was ringing off the hook. I actually applied with my boyfriend who is white so that may have made a difference. When I did my phone interviews they asked me three times more questions than my boyfriend. I guess they wanted to make sure that I can speak English. One employer told me that she hired an Asian American who then arrived in Korea and totally could not speak English. You may run into a bit of discrimination but it will not be impossible for you to find a job. I have met quite a few Asian female teachers working in Seoul. I hope this helps.



its because alot of koreans who went over as teenagers or for university "claim" they are gyopo. try saying you are "eesay gyopo" (someone who was born and raised in america or canada.).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Of course you can find work. The demand for English education is just too high.

I just met a Korean-American working at a hagwon here on the island.

It's harder, I hear, but not impossible. The bigger the academy, the better the chance, as the small ones need their token waygook-looking teacher for the parents.

And the pay may be less.


Yes. If a school refuses to hire you simply on the color of your skin, then it's probably not a very good place to work regardless of your skin color.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Golden Lama



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Left-of-Centre of the Universe

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Correction Reply with quote

Sorry, I said the director of GlobalEdu's name is Alexis Wong, but it should have been Alexis YANG.

You could also look for Terry Shin as he's one of the GlobalEdu recruiters.

Has anybody gone straight through a Board of Education, or have we all had to deal with recruiters?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Asian Looking Yankees? Reply with quote

More and more Korean Americans (Gyopos) are being hired to teach English
in Korea, so an Asian looking American should have no serious problem in
finding a job here. But if you're worried, perhaps you can dye your hair ash blond.
I recommend Loreal with the 3D highlight. Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International