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| It's only a problem to bigots |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| What really bugs me is all the US companies, restaurants, etc. that support liberalizing immigration or legalizing the 20 million currently here illegally on the grounds of "aw shucks, we just want to give these poor, brown-skinned people a job so they can send money home to their starving children!" when in reality they just want cheap labor. It's the new slavery disguised as charity for poor Mexicans. Sadly, many Americans are falling for this corporate propaganda. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| It's the new slavery disguised as charity for poor Mexicans. Sadly, many Americans are falling for this corporate propaganda. |
Couldn't you moderate your position here?
Slavery? Forced labor? |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| For digging my sprinkler ditches and landscaping my back yard: 2 steak carne asadas & $60 = 6 hours of work, all under the table, no taxes. Sheeeeit. That's not slave labor...that's send some home to mama and eat good tonight. |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Slavery is all these employers want the illegals for anyway. They want a scared and cheap labor force. You get sick and no work?!? I'll kick you out! You don't want to work for 18 hours a day? I'll find the next illegal whose willing to work 20 for s#!T $$$$ and no benifits. Contractors are not nice people!!! |
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cameron.mayo
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Location: Western Hemisphere
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Yo Chingo: Yup its slavery...I'm in NYC at the moment and lets just say I'm not %100 legal myself, so I've got both perspectives. Most of my Mexican colleagues come and go (illegally) to Mexico as they please. So while there is corruption on the borders you will never stop alien status.
Secondly they do an unbelieveable job that white and black America wont do. They are such hard working people, I love working with them.
NYC is a sad place, so many w^nkers thinking they are more superior than the next person, and yes they think the slaves should peel their bananas |
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anyway
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope no one is forgetting that no less an American cultural icon and business leader than WALMART has been fined for massive use of illegal workers, but they have been caught since... |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Secondly they do an unbelieveable job that white and black America wont do. They are such hard working people, I love working with them.
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Jobs Americans won't do = jobs that should not exist. There has not been one example that I have been shown so far of these jobs that is not important in anyway or vital to national interest. Busing tables, washing dishes and mowing lawns are luxury items. The illegals have never done important work. Ever. They simply have no choice but to take the measly wages. There is no valor here. its a shame that heir home countries will not under any circumstances provide for their poor.
All this corruption does is allow for business that would otherwise fail. if they don't fail, they simply jack up the profit margin far beyond what it should be. If no one takes the wages you offer, the business must close. More business chicanery AKA dot.con, Enron, S&L scam and corporate raiding.
We don't need more Hotel rooms, we need less. We need higher food prices and less restaurants. We-are-too-fat.
Mexico has never been a nation of hard workers, thats why they are poor. They never ever grew up. Its easy to feel superior when your neighbor can only get drunk and fall over and has been doing so for over 50 years. |
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cameron.mayo
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Location: Western Hemisphere
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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The Mexicans I work with here are very hard working and I've seen it in many restaurants here. Maybe they work hard for a short time then goof off back at home, I don't know.
I agree, too many restaurants and bars here (NYC). The amount of food I throw out, that is not eaten is unbelieveable. People are just on auto-pilot; they order all this food and I know they wont eat half of it. Where as for 20 baht in THailand you get a normal sized portion and there is no wastage. The wastage breaks my heart in this country....
I don't think your average American is that hard working. They goof off alot at work and will stay longer hours with less efficiency instead of shorter hours with more efficency. If they are mgrs or owners they will get the underlings (read slave) to do things they could easily do them selves but are just to 'ken lazy to do it.
Americans think this country is so great (read they've been brainwashed). Personally I don't see whatso good about it. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Personally I don't see whatso good about it.
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I do see what was good about it. We went from wilderness to Rome in 175 years. We conquered the moon and flight. We made the doomsday device. We were the first people able to end all life on Earth. We excelled at virtually every endevor. Its about accomplishment unparalled in human history. This all may outdone in in the future but our place in history is secure or at least until a new victor comes and rewrites the history books. |
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visitor q
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of altruism - Oh Obese Newfoundler, I Am Going To Throttle Your Neck, Kaffir
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think your average American is that hard working. |
Nice generalization. Please allow me to step on board by saying that I think average black people stink.
Fair, right? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Yea slaves. The Western hemispere is blighted with former slave colonies. Those places don't work out so good. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, there is something fundamentally flawed with the way we are running our capitalist system. We have a huge pool of unemployed/underemployed people already. I can understand why few want to up-root and move to Nebraska (sorry Nebraskans) at present wages. But if the law of supply and demand were allowed to operate freely, wages would rise to a level that would make those undesirable jobs desirable. Problem solved.
(There would then be the problem of expensive food, but that is another issue.) |
I lived in Nebraska and um....it is illegal immigrant central. Not that I have any problem with it. Normally they work really hard. Mostly in meat packing plants and service industry jobs. They pay taxes. Never file for refunds because they might get caught. Frequently they end up just melting into the society.
The second largest INS raid in the U.S. happened in Grand Island Nebraska. Carted off hundreds of illegal workers working in a meat packing plant. Minor inconvenience. BTW there was no throng of white folks lining up for their jobs either. Most were back in a week. The company held their jobs. BtW this company paid the immigrants the same as everyone else. They got medical like everyone else and could belong to the credit union like everyone else.
Too many people piss and moan about immigration but they forget the jobs they do. When the bracero act was repealed in California back in the 70's I beleive the fruit and veggie industry almost collapsed. The expected colleges students and housewives and under-employed just didn't show up to take the jobs.
While the wages often suck. Often it is more than they could ever earn in their home country and again they add to the local economy. Often blend in and live their lives out quite happily. It even has a strange cycle. Many come to work in the meat packing plants. They save money. Buy houses. Bring their families and then buy small businesses. Landscaping and restuarants, work construction. It is amazing after a few generations they have solid middle class lives and are moving up in the economic food chain.
My family good example. Grandparents went to Nebraska worked the beets. Grandfather got hired on the Union Pacific as station engineer worked there for 30 years. His kids all graduated from high school and 8 of them ended up going to some kind of college or tech school. He and my grandmother both became citizens and lived out their lives in Nebraska.
Now in small town Nebraska it isn't always easy being a minority. I know cuz I am one. But all in all the prevailing feeling is ...well as long as they work. In Nebraska as long as you work people are pretty cool about who you are. Surprisingly there are alot of Mexican-Americans legal and illegal that call Nebraska home. Easy place to hide as people tend to mind their own business and nobody really likes the government.
Jade "Go Big Red" |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Q for Du-
WWTMcVD? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
Ya Ta Boy: "Xenophobia is not an attractive quality here in Korea. It is no more attractive at home."
I am anything but a xenophobe. I'm simply an American that feels strongly about immigration and the consequences it will have on my country. |
Unfortunately for you, every time this issue comes up and an analysis is done of the impact of immigration, it always comes out positive overall.
Glad I could help.... |
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