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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy stated it best. You need to forget the cultural differences and focus on health issues.
OMGM ! I thought suing over "medical malpractice" was going to have something to do with a medical mistake that negatively affected your health! like a bad surgery.
It does come down to attitude and priorities: focus on what's most important, and get what you most need. Or spread a urine sample into the fan if you want give it the old Kansas heave ho.
Good luck whatever. |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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you have to pay in korea, why not pay in canada? |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry for your difficulties. I wish you the best of luck. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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yes you DO have to/can pay directly to a doctor in Canada!~!!
Also, if you are a nonresident (as I understand it) you can continue paying to health care and get coverage as you need it.
but yeah...as mentioned....taxes'd gitcha |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, you're Canadian, so let's hate all Canadians. F*** YOU CANADA!!!
You are entitled to question anybody you want. If that person doesn't like being questioned, go to somebody new, it's as easy as that.
As well, you probably were to blame for the attitude problem. Even if you weren't trying to be rude, it very well could have come off that way. These problems always arise with language barriers. Did he have a right to call your boss? I don't think so, but I think he probably had your best interest in mind when he was doing so. There was probably no need to let that worry you. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
is that the way the canadian system works? you can't just visit a doctor and pay full price even if you want to? |
I've tried without any success. When my son got an eye infection last time we traveled to Canada, we went to doctors and offered to pay in cash (and I brought along a few thousand dollars to show them I was good for it), but they refused to treat him. The only help they would offer was the directions to the clinic for foreigners, which was only open in the evening. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
The short answer is no. In order to sue for medical malpractice, you've got to find a lawyer with a medical degree as well. I was given a prescription for very wrong medicine last fall, so I asked around.
As for your situation, you were in the wrong here. It's completely understandable that you wanted to know about yourhealth and all that BUT this is Korea, it's their culture and we're just living here. Koreans consider it [b]very rude to question a doctor[/b]. |
I think it entirely depends on the doctor......
When I was pregnant with Letty, I went to my ob/gyn monthly armed with questions to ask him and if and when he gave me unsatisfactory answers, I questioned him until I was happy. There was one point when I even yelled at him but he, God Bless my wonderful doctor, smiled and told me I was right to be concerned but really there was no need. He was just the coolest person around. Always calm and really patient with me. |
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noraleen
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: health |
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ajstew wrote: |
"Anyhow, I went to Canada for a vacation and returned to Korea quite recently." OP
Your post begins to fall on deaf ears when anyone reads the above sentence. You are so concerned about your treatment and lack of trust in your doctor, that you fail to take your wonderful opportunity while on vacation in Canada to visit a doctor there. "It's too expensive" you wonder. You could have done an inquiry in Canada as well, and it's not so unusual to have to stay one night prior to surgery in a hospital. Sounds like you are just cheap, whereas he's trying to make sure your best interests are looked after. And then you make a fuss about reserving a bed yourself... is it so painful to ask a secretary or boss for help? Attitude problem... yes... I'd say so. Hope you feel better. |
Had I been able to receive the surgery in Canada, I would have done so. Most people are unaware that surgery in Canada is not done right away. I had consulted a specialist in Canada, and was told that I would have to wait at least a month to get the surgery done - gall bladder surgery is common in Canada, and not something they make an emergency out of.
I also am not "cheap". I have lost my free health care benefits in Canada since I am a non-resident and have lived outside the country for too long. Needless to say, had an opportunity arisen for me to have the surgery done while I was in the country, I would have paid for it - and probably quite a bit more.
As for my "rudeness", I was honestly not rude to the doctor. I just asked questions about certain things because I wanted more information. Something I'm sure most people would do in my situation. |
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Sofa_King

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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PaperTiger wrote: |
Must be that great Canandian health plan that kept the poor sap waiting in line to see a doctor for the entirity of their vacation. |
Pen!s Envy |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, doctor/patient confidentiality is to be expected in any advanced country, and if Korea is so much more advanced than Canada, then this dumbass doctor should know that. The boss had no need to know any specifics. If any of you went to the doctor with a rabid case of hemerroids and returned to work to have the boss ask you how your ass was feeling, you'd be in a bit of a snit, too. Second, everyone who said that her boss should have accompanied her or taken care of everything for her should try getting their boss to make a 30 second phone call to have a broken kitchen faucet fixed, let alone take an hour or two to go see a doctor with her. Third, the doctor sounds like a pissy bitch and likely doesn't know his brain from his dick. This isn't the first time I've heard of a Korean doctor with a chip on his shoulder. A friend of mine (an AMERICAN friend) questioned the ridiculous price of a couple of pills and the doctor immediately changed his mind, said my friend was no longer welcome to the pills and refused to speak English to him anymore.
I swear, Korean doctors are no more than monkeys in white coats. You'd be better off going to the ajumma at the ��� ���� for medical advice. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: health |
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noraleen wrote: |
As for my "rudeness", I was honestly not rude to the doctor. I just asked questions about certain things because I wanted more information. Something I'm sure most people would do in my situation. |
Like Diver said earlier, none of us can say whether you were in fact rude, and I've had too many encounters with "professionals" in Korea to accept that doctor's interpretation of the facts as the final word on it. Certain types of professionals can be astoundingly thin-skinned when their imperial authority is doubted or their delicate egos are bruised.
As for lawsuits, aside from free help from the Labour Ministry for teacher/employer squabbles, seeking legal remedies in Korea (for a Korean or a foreigner) is usually best avoided, even in those cut-and-dried situations where you absolutely know you can't possibly lose... were you back home.
Apple Scruff wrote: |
Second, everyone who said that her boss should have accompanied her or taken care of everything for her should try getting their boss to make a 30 second phone call to have a broken kitchen faucet fixed, let alone take an hour or two to go see a doctor with her. |
Very good point. I meant to mention that as well.
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Third, the doctor sounds like a pissy *beep* and likely doesn't know his brain from his *beep*. This isn't the first time I've heard of a Korean doctor with a chip on his shoulder. |
Wouldn't surprise me either. |
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Infoseeker

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Lurking somewhere near Seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Noraleen, as you have witnessed, there are some pretty unpleasant sorts lurking on this board. They make assumptions and judgements based on their own conjecture. They are clearly unhelpful, so don't take much notice of it. If you do, it's only going to stress you, and you don't need that.
Unfortunately, as you have seen, respect for privacy differs from culture to culture. Having spent time in rural China, where you have to take a dump in front of other people (generally of the same gender of course) also doing their business - I'm rather inured to it by now! You've got to learn to relax and develop new tolerances. Is this incident really important in the course of your life? No. Think on the bright side: gall stones are not the embarrassment a bout of syphillis would be! So relax and forget about it. Put it down to experience. It may well be that the doctor and your employer both had good intentions. Feeling hurt and anger is only going to damage YOU in the end.
Perhaps a kind Korean acquaintance can get assistance for you. Like some posters have commented: concern yourself with getting better - and nothing more.
Good luck Noraleen, I hope things get better soon. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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When you first had problems you should have changed doctors. And if you live in Seoul or another major city you should have gone to a hospital with English speaking staff. Barring that bring a Korean along whom you can trust. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I hope you get a second or even third opinion. My co-worker was diagnosed with gall stones, but I guess the stone shrunk. I don't know how that works, but unless it's blocking a duct, many people just deal with it (I've heard my co-worker go on on about gall stones).
I'm sorry some people on this board went off on you. I don't think you were unreasonable. That doctor's attitude is unprofessional and childish. My husband told me there are confidentiality rules that doctors should follow. If I were you, I would've been upset, as well. |
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sconner
Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I am going through a similar situation so I can sympathize. If you want to pursue a complaint try this website:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/living/teaching/teaching_1240.html
Unless you have surgery and a mistake is made you really don't have a malpractice case. As for the rest, I would go to another doctor. There is a list in Lonely Planet of English speaking clinics. I had problems similar to yours at Severance Hospital so you might not want to go there. Good luck in whatever you do. |
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