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Are there older students at hogwans too?
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escapeartist



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Are there older students at hogwans too? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say that I appreciate people giving feedback to my questions. Anyhow, I'd like to teach older kids, maybe 12-17 year olds but I also want to start teaching in June or July so I'm thinking my best bet would be at a hogwan. Do hogwans' generally have older kids there or just little kids?

Cheers!
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escapeartist



Joined: 09 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, it's me again. I'm thinking of working at a public school but it seems that those jobs are more competitive. I only have a bachelor's degree and not very much teaching experience. i also would like to have a job lined up before going to Korea. From reading previous threads, it seems like most people who work at public schools have paid their dues already by working at hogwans. Is that a correct assumption?

Thanks!
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

escapeartist wrote:
Hi, it's me again. I'm thinking of working at a public school but it seems that those jobs are more competitive. I only have a bachelor's degree and not very much teaching experience. i also would like to have a job lined up before going to Korea. From reading previous threads, it seems like most people who work at public schools have paid their dues already by working at hogwans. Is that a correct assumption?

Thanks!


Public schools generally are better places to work. Hagwons are the bottom of the barrel but they can be ok. I put in 3 years of hagwon work before getting my job, and I wouldnt ever go back to a hagwon. The job isnt perfect but it has 95% of hagwon jobs beat in terms of pretty much everything. So yes, public school jobs are usually much more competitive.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

escapeartist wrote:
Hi, it's me again. I'm thinking of working at a public school but it seems that those jobs are more competitive. I only have a bachelor's degree and not very much teaching experience. i also would like to have a job lined up before going to Korea. From reading previous threads, it seems like most people who work at public schools have paid their dues already by working at hogwans. Is that a correct assumption?

Thanks!


No there are so many public school positions now they are having trouble filling them.

*However*
you need to think really long and hard about whether you *really* want to be stuck infront of 40kids who on average don't know that much english. Then you'll be placed in a working enviroment where most people there won't know english, or in elementary school where 1-2 teachers know some *basic* english.

Also are you prepared to be stuck in a small town as a lot of the jobs that they are having trouble filling are right in the boonies. Chances are your co-workers will not have had to deal with a foreigner up close and personal, and some of them aren't going to be so ready or willing to deal with cultural misunderstandings that happen when you are new to a foreign country.

Yes you get paid on time and generally in full, however I've seen all sorts crazy stuff happen in public schools.I wrote a longer post on public schools versus hogwons for newbies which I'll try and find when I get home.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Wanted: Small (as in tiny) Town High School Reply with quote

I'm sitting around the office killing two hours before last class and then start the weekend, contemplating my navel. My navel is sending messages: find a similar situation a lot closer to Seoul.

1. Would I have to put up with EPIK to pull this off?

2. Anyone know which province education offices hire directly? (I mean the ones around Seoul.)

3. Anyone know any actual high school names that don't have a teacher?


(Someone mentioned they work in a 'small town of 300,000. I almost choked on my sandwich. That is a major city where I come from. Small to me, means a high school of a couple of hundred or smaller. Right now my high school has 116. I like that size. I know all of them.)
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

116? You must be out in the boonies. I would never again work outside of Seoul.
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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Old Students? Reply with quote

The oldest student I ever had was a 96 year old grandma in Yoncheon
back in '95. She accompanied her much younger daughter during a house
wives class at my hagwon, but sometimes she would join in and try to pro-
nounce a word or two. Pronunciation took a lot of effort for this old lady
who had only her gums left for speech support. Cool
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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

middle school kids go to hogwan too, to answer your question OP.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are your (classroom) management skills? Imagine trying to control a room of over over 40 students who don't know English well or at all for that matter. It's quite a challenge! Many of them like to test you just to see your reaction. I'm teaching freshmen at a university and I'm quite certain it's a lot like public school. In some ways, the hogwon was easier simply because there aren't the number of students per class. If you are new to teaching, new to ESL, new to Korea and still relatively young I wouldn't think that starting out fresh in a public school would be the wisest decision. Not all hagwons are horror stories. It's just trying to find one with a "better than decent" boss/director/owner that's a nighmare in itself here in Korea.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also consider motivation. children up to h.s. are going to a hagwon at the parents request, same as public school.
it is MUCH more rewarding for the teacher to teach students who want to be there. Thus, hagwons located around universities tend to have a much more motivated student body.
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stat



Joined: 22 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's hak-won. Or Hagwon if you like. there's no way on earth it'll ever be hogwan.

�� (hak) means education. �� (won) means center, or worker, or a variety of other crap.

but ��� (hogwan)? It's just not going to happen.

Don't be pissed off with me, I sound like a *beep* but I'm doing you a favor. If you ever refer to a hagwon as a hogwan, the person you're talking to is going to think you're a fucking idiot.
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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Old Students? Reply with quote

UncleAlex wrote:
The oldest student I ever had was a 96 year old grandma in Yoncheon
back in '95. She accompanied her much younger daughter during a house
wives class at my hagwon, but sometimes she would join in and try to pro-
nounce a word or two. Pronunciation took a lot of effort for this old lady
who had only her gums left for speech support. Cool


Much younger daughter? How old was she - 72? Wink
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hagwon has mainly adult students as well as a decent number of middle and high school students. [We will have openings this summer.]
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stat where are you from? You have funny vowel sounds.

Hogwan.

a hag is an old woman. sounds like bag, gag, rag

The Korean sounds do not really match the English sounds for most native speakers.

I met a Canadian who wrote and said "hagwon". All the Koreans laughed at him.
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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Much Younger Daughter Reply with quote

She was approaching 60, by the look of her. Cool
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