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fruitcake
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Location: shinchon
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| doggyji wrote: |
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ah, I see...so then their ripping off of Earth, Wind and Fire is totally cool then. They must be paying homage. Sorry, my mistake.  |
Funny. Do you happen to think I'm automatically defending them because I'm correcting your error? I don't know much about their music.
fruitcake: "And "Crazyquai"...."Jamiroquai"? Pathetic" ---> doggyji: "I remember them saying they are paying homage to Jamiroquai."
I just tried to let you know the related fact. Nothing more or less.  |
yeah, i realised that shortly after I posted...sorry...lol
shouldn't it be "Clajaquai" then?  |
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noelinkorea
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: Shinchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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I'm hardly the apologist, but all this 'originality' reminds me of something I read about regarding Korea's obsession with copying others:
In English, when we think of 'original' we think of 'being original, being the first, being innovative'...while in Korean culture, 'original' still means 'being original and being the first' but only in that it means 'being the same as the first'. Thus, originality is 'being as the original is/was'.
All a bit wordy, but if you take this into mind, the overt copying and plagiarism makes a little more sense (NOT that I agree with it...just trying to get my head around it...).
I remember a few years back seeing some Korean girl group's music video, which I mistook for a TLC one...the set was the same, the clothes and flshing light bulb belts they were wearing were the same...shocking, but no longer surprising... |
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Gardimus
Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Location: Formerly Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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My favorite instance of K-pop "borrowing" was several years ago when a very pasty, very pretty K-Pop boy band "borrowed" heavily from Afroman's Because I Got High.
If you think about Because I Got High's content and Afroman's grubby appearance, it seems unlikely that a group of boys more clean-cut than Mormon missionaries would be the appropriate group to "pay homage" to the song.
If someone knows the group's name and song title, it would be most appreciated. |
I've heard the rip off. Out of all the K-Pop rip offs, that one must be the most obvious case of song stealing out there. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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To me the biggest difference between what Korean artists do and what guys like Sean Combs/Puff Daddy/P. Diddy have done is the amount of time between the original release and the remix/cover.
When Puffy was at the top of the charts (around 97-00) consistently, he was using riffs and samples from 20 year old tracks...his target demographic, the TRL crowd, hadn't even been born yet, and chances are had never heard the original tracks. In a way, it can breathe life into a genre of music or a particular artist.
Korean artists don't even wait until the original song is out of regular radio rotation.
Here's a good mash-up on YOUTUBE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j3QvbKoQ-bk |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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This made me laugh:
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| There are no hard-and-fast criteria to decide what constitutes plagiarism in Korea |
Maybe they should try the dictionary:
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Main Entry: pla��gia��rize
Pronunciation: 'plA-j&-"rIz also -jE-&-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -rized; -riz��ing
Etymology: plagiary
transitive senses : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
- pla��gia��riz��er noun |
Every start of semester I give my students the whole rundown on plagiarizing work. Sometimes you'd think I was speaking Swahili with the looks I get. |
Imagine the looks you'd get if you asked them produce proper quotes where needed and reference the sources using the Oxford referencing system. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
To me the biggest difference between what Korean artists do and what guys like Sean Combs/Puff Daddy/P. Diddy have done is the amount of time between the original release and the remix/cover.
When Puffy was at the top of the charts (around 97-00) consistently, he was using riffs and samples from 20 year old tracks...his target demographic, the TRL crowd, hadn't even been born yet, and chances are had never heard the original tracks. In a way, it can breathe life into a genre of music or a particular artist.
Korean artists don't even wait until the original song is out of regular radio rotation.
Here's a good mash-up on YOUTUBE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j3QvbKoQ-bk |
I agree. There's a heap of difference between creating your own interpretation of a song from another musical era or genre (and paying due credit to the original artist) and copying the songs and act of a popular contemporary artist. The former is a product of inspiration and good business acumen, while the latter is stealing. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Remember Cyndi Lauper's "SHE-BOP"? The song about pleasuring one's self SOLO? Well, i couldn't help but notice the obviously plaguarized melody ( and concept ) from the huge Korean "hit" OPA.
Opa ... na na na na na
Opa ... na na na na na
Opa ... na na na na na
She bops / bops ... she bops / bops ... |
If you opened up the CD cover to that CD, you'll find that it credits the original writer and singer.
Every time this subject comes up, everyone tends to list off songs they think are unauthorized knock-offs, yet almost all of them are licensed with royalties paid.
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| Nope, no plaguarism here kids |
At least none in the example you cited. |
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billybrobby
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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In her defense, it takes a lot of work and dedication to copy so many different people's images.  |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Remember Cyndi Lauper's "SHE-BOP"? The song about pleasuring one's self SOLO? Well, i couldn't help but notice the obviously plaguarized melody ( and concept ) from the huge Korean "hit" OPA.
Opa ... na na na na na
Opa ... na na na na na
Opa ... na na na na na
She bops / bops ... she bops / bops ... |
If you opened up the CD cover to that CD, you'll find that it credits the original writer and singer.
Every time this subject comes up, everyone tends to list off songs they think are unauthorized knock-offs, yet almost all of them are licensed with royalties paid.
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| Nope, no plaguarism here kids |
At least none in the example you cited. |
Thank-you for clearing this one up.
I was uncertain & wondered about this "authorization" issue myself |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Seotaeji's song "You must come back home" sounds similar to "Insane in the Membrane".
A few years back I played some songs for a uni listening class and they thought they were both Seotaeji. But one guy in the class had heard about Seotaeji hanging out with Cypress Hill. . .
That Hyo / J-Lo photo is awesome. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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brilliant! |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Yes, plagiarism...what does Korea NOT copy? They ripoff everything and then try to pass it out as their own. However, if the role was reversed, and Britney were copying Hyo-ri, you can bet that it would be considered an "outrage" here and flags would be burned and people slicing themselves up. However, it is okay for them to copy everyone else. That is what I found so funny when I read about how Koreans were angry that the Chinese were ripping off Samsung and passing it as another company...when it happens to them they get pissed, when they do it...it is okay. It may be prevalent in many countries but Korea must be near the top in this kind of behavior |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| check out Love Mode's Crazyquai (ũ��������) and tell me you don't hear "September" by Earth Wind and Fire in the chorus. They must think that if you change one or two notes, then it suddenly becomes original. And "Crazyquai"...."Jamiroquai"? Pathetic |
Crazyquai.. on purpose? They are called Clazziquai(Ŭ��������) anyway. Classic + Jazz + Quai as they explain. I remember them saying they are paying homage to Jamiroquai. 
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this is just one of the things that has dumbfounded me. their entire culture accepts and believes copying and cheating are ok, and original thought and creativity are useless. in fact, they fear looking different.
but yet they want to be a world leader in music, fashion and technology.
how can you be a world leader if your only invention over the past 500 yeast has been the kimchi refrigerator (which they think is the greatest thing since kimchi). |
I don't know about music and fashion, but technology? What kind of technology? You know, it's a big word. Korea has her own specialties.
S. Korea Ranks 6TH in International Patent Applications
Isn't this 77.5g necklace-type MP3 camera phone cute? (The girl's cute, too )
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I stumbled upon her Cyworld page last year while jumping randomly around. She has the same name as a girl I used to work with and looks a bit similar so I thought it was her at first. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, plagiarism...what does Korea NOT copy? They ripoff everything and then try to pass it out as their own. However, if the role was reversed, and Britney were copying Hyo-ri, you can bet that it would be considered an "outrage" here and flags would be burned and people slicing themselves up. However, it is okay for them to copy everyone else. That is what I found so funny when I read about how Koreans were angry that the Chinese were ripping off Samsung and passing it as another company...when it happens to them they get pissed, when they do it...it is okay. It may be prevalent in many countries but Korea must be near the top in this kind of behavior |
You can relax. They won't burn flags and slice themselves up even if Britney turns out to be copying Hyori. (Just some reality check when exaggerations go too far )
"However, it is okay for them to copy everyone else."
Who says that? Your Korean friends? Afaik, it was Korean netizens and media who first seriously accused her (or her producer) of the plagarism. One way of thinking so prevalent here is that if something bad happens in Korea, they think all Koreans might agree, support and defense it since they are oh �ʽ� Korea No.1 zealots with 'sheep mentality.' Not true. ������ |
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