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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| forgesteel wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Perhaps the question I should have asked in the first post:
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care to give me a translation of your question? |
Sometimes you can get lucky and find out what something means through an image search. ���ں� turns up the following on the first page on Google:
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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OK, you've stated an opinion. Now back it up. I backed mine up. I defined teaching real quickly.
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Care to pay me for the time I would spend thinking |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: going rate for modeling: what is it? |
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My director has asked me more than a couple times to take pictures which the hagwon has then subsequently used in their marketing and advertising efforts.
Question: Should I charge for my modeling services? If so, how much is reasonable to charge, i.e. what is the going rate for this type of thing in Korea?
Of course, I think I ought to charge, since:
1. these aren't services outlined in my contract
2. my time ain't free
3. i'm not ugly, etc.
Cheers, and thanks in advance for your responses, |
Since your an employee of the hagwon, don't expect anything more than the gratitude of your boss (and you basically can't refuse). But, just to let you known, how much you would get if you weren't an employee would depend on how famous you are, who the ads are for, and how much exposure they will get. My son has done some modeling here and print ads simply don't pay all that well. You'd probably get nothing for a locally published ad, 30 to 70 thousand won if these pictures were taken for a nationally distributed catalogue or magazine, but you could expect 600 000 to 1 400 000 if you were doing TV commericals to be shown in Korea and abroad.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| forgesteel wrote: |
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| forgesteel wrote: |
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You've spent far longer writing on this thread than any 'photo session' would have taken. |
Naw, wrong again. I've spent approximately 1/2 of the time doing one compared to the other.
Try again. |
We'll get you to 1:1 soon enough. |
Well, by the time you get me there, I will have written off a lot of it, so to speak. I consider this time a meaningful investment, while merely making my boss happy, well for that, I want to get paid for. I don't expect money from strangers such as you.
When was the last time you got paid for contributing to an internet forum?
Stop comparing like and unlike. |
Another way to look at it would be like this:
If you like your school and if they've been good to you, give something back in return. If they haven't, refuse and say you have other important matters to attend to (like posting here). My school's been great to me and I'll happily throw on the suit for any photo-op they want. I even went on a Saturday field trip which had nothing to do with learning English and, as I found out later, was largely a photo-op for the a new brouchure. At my old place of work I would never have considered it, but if you're getting a lot from you school you should be willing to give a lot back. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| forgesteel wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| forgesteel wrote: |
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You've spent far longer writing on this thread than any 'photo session' would have taken. |
Naw, wrong again. I've spent approximately 1/2 of the time doing one compared to the other.
Try again. |
We'll get you to 1:1 soon enough. |
Well, by the time you get me there, I will have written off a lot of it, so to speak. I consider this time a meaningful investment, while merely making my boss happy, well for that, I want to get paid for. I don't expect money from strangers such as you.
When was the last time you got paid for contributing to an internet forum?
Stop comparing like and unlike. |
Another way to look at it would be like this:
If you like your school and if they've been good to you, give something back in return. If they haven't, refuse and say you have other important matters to attend to (like posting here). My school's been great to me and I'll happily throw on the suit for any photo-op they want. I even went on a Saturday field trip which had nothing to do with learning English and, as I found out later, was largely a photo-op for the a new brouchure. At my old place of work I would never have considered it, but if you're getting a lot from you school you should be willing to give a lot back. |
Something a lot of North Americans don't get is exactly this? They should be paid for every penny of their time. I think differently (I'm from the East Coast though, growing up with one British parent). I am not saying whether this is wrong or right, but what you have to understand is pretty much most of the world outside NA doesn't work like that. It's give and take. If the employer is bad, the employee does nothing. But if the employer is good, why not give a little extra back? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| It's give and take. If the employer is bad, the employee does nothing. But if the employer is good, why not give a little extra back? |
I think it's something a lot of Koreans don't understand, either. If the employer is bad, you try all the harder to suck up to him. It's no wonder K-staff at hogwans get treated the way they do.
I'm sure that my ex-director still for the life of him can't understand how I went from model employee to obstinate ass in just six months, despite me spelling out for him exactly why I was leaving in my letter of resignation. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| It's give and take. If the employer is bad, the employee does nothing. But if the employer is good, why not give a little extra back? |
I think it's something a lot of Koreans don't understand, either. If the employer is bad, you try all the harder to suck up to him. It's no wonder K-staff at hogwans get treated the way they do.
I'm sure that my ex-director still for the life of him can't understand how I went from model employee to obstinate ass in just six months, despite me spelling out for him exactly why I was leaving in my letter of resignation. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| going rate for modeling: what is it? |
to answer your question:
the bottom line is, if you cannot even convince your peers that one deserves to be financially compensated for getting their picture taken at work, it's doubtful you will have any success with your boss.
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Ha! This was a really silly question to put on the board.
Howabout you put a pic of yourself on the board, and we'll judge how much your booty is worth  I wanna see your hot stuff!!!
I think most teachers get asked to pose for one or two (or more) promotional shots. In our school, they have printed every teachers' photo in a booklet who has ever worked here, claiming they are 'current staff' - makes the school looks fabulously endowed. It's part of the job. Do it or don't do it. But, certainly don't expect to get extra pay for it.
In my case, I did get so cheesed off in my Korean hapkido class last year, that I left the school. My instructor insisted on taking a photo after every single class with me alongside the local kids. He then plasted these pictures all around the neighborhood to promote the 'foreign talent' that he'd lured to his gym.
If you wanna get paid for your pix, sign up to a modelling agency. I reckon you'll get about 10 Roubles per shot. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| And then these kinds of people wonder why their relationships with their bosses go down the toilet. You want a good workplace for the duration of your contract or do you want chump change from one modelling "gig"? Whats a good working relationship worth to you? 50,000 won? Geezus.. I predict this joker will come on this forum in a month and start bitching about how his work sucks because the boss is now mean to him. And I bet he wont even know why. In Korea, a good relationship isnt spelled out by a freaking contract but by interpersonal dynamics which you are now in the process of destroying. WAY TO GO GENIUS! |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Ody wrote: |
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| going rate for modeling: what is it? |
to answer your question:
the bottom line is, if you cannot even convince your peers that one deserves to be financially compensated for getting their picture taken at work, it's doubtful you will have any success with your boss.
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We've already decided that this is no longer an open question.
By the way, I have not been trying to do any convincing in these regards. On the contrary. I accepted it immediately, and forthrightly. |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| But, certainly don't expect to get extra pay for it. |
I've written many posts in this same thread that indicate the same understanding is firmly lodged in my grey matter. Which part of "OK," didn't you understand? |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| And then these kinds of people wonder why their relationships with their bosses go down the toilet. You want a good workplace for the duration of your contract or do you want chump change from one modelling "gig"? Whats a good working relationship worth to you? 50,000 won? Geezus.. I predict this joker will come on this forum in a month and start *beep* about how his work sucks because the boss is now mean to him. And I bet he wont even know why. In Korea, a good relationship isnt spelled out by a freaking contract but by interpersonal dynamics which you are now in the process of destroying. WAY TO GO GENIUS! |
Don't you worry. I ask stupid questions on the board, not to my director's face. I do a good job of playing the part of a mildly informed and polite person during the 9-5 grind.
"gig" is in quotes. Quotes of this sort strongly suggest I, the OP, used this phrase. I did not.
I want to get paid for my time and trouble, IN THE FUTURE. I never asked for payment of the stuff I did in the past. Please read more carelfully.
And in case you are just clumsily talking about my attitude in general, ok, I'll address that quickly too.
In general, I want to get paid for my time and trouble, NO MATTER what it is that I am doing, if it can be reasonably defined as 'services provided.' You think that is nearly criminal. That's ok. You are free to think whatever sort of craziness that gets you through your day.
I KEEP a good working relationship by valuing my TIME and energy. You think that attitude is greedy, counterproductive, whatever. OK. You are entitled to your opinion, however uninformed it might be.
I have a cool boss. He and I are doing fine. There will be no substantial complaints in my working situation. I've been around the block a few times: I know how to manage things effectively, consistently, and successfully. Thanks for your concern, though. Real generous and sympathetic of you! |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| forgesteel wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| forgesteel wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
You've spent far longer writing on this thread than any 'photo session' would have taken. |
Naw, wrong again. I've spent approximately 1/2 of the time doing one compared to the other.
Try again. |
We'll get you to 1:1 soon enough. |
Well, by the time you get me there, I will have written off a lot of it, so to speak. I consider this time a meaningful investment, while merely making my boss happy, well for that, I want to get paid for. I don't expect money from strangers such as you.
When was the last time you got paid for contributing to an internet forum?
Stop comparing like and unlike. |
Another way to look at it would be like this:
If you like your school and if they've been good to you, give something back in return. If they haven't, refuse and say you have other important matters to attend to (like posting here). My school's been great to me and I'll happily throw on the suit for any photo-op they want. I even went on a Saturday field trip which had nothing to do with learning English and, as I found out later, was largely a photo-op for the a new brouchure. At my old place of work I would never have considered it, but if you're getting a lot from you school you should be willing to give a lot back. |
I did give them something in return. The first photo shoots were free, I didn't ask them for money at that time, any of the times we met for photos.
It is certain I'll give more free stuff to my employer in the future. I don't mind doing this. I like my job, and my employer, so it doesn't bother me one whit. In a phrase, I agree completely. But to a certain extent, after acertain while, I draw a line, and make a limit to how much I am willing to do for free. In general, I give A LOT more free services to my employer than any of the other waygooks working there, so I don't count myself as among the stingy. |
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