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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| If they don't give you your vacation time, just quit. |
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Khyron
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand this at all.
You quit correct? Then why worry about the director changing your hours? Just say NO. What's he going to do, fire you? 
And why on earth would you stay for 2-3 more months? You are seriously begging to get screwed over on your last month's pay. It is fairly common for hakwon owners to not pay you for the last month that you worked (ESPECIALLY in your situation).
Next pay day just leave. You gave your notice and that is that. |
I'm just hanging on for my Release Letter. I only resigned 2 days ago and pay day is next week. I have to wait until at least May payday before I go.
However, if I p++s him off too much, he probably won't sign the LOR. |
What do you need a letter of release for? I'll admit, it saves a few trips to Japan. It is NOT absolutely required to get a new job though. Just leave the country, and tell the immigration guys at the port to void your work visa when you leave. It's as simple as that. You can then come back to Korea and look for a new job on a tourist visa. You'll then have to do another visa run to Japan, but your new job should pay for that.
I did exactly that last year. I got a new job without any trouble and I did not have a letter of release. The only extra thing was that immigration went to my old school in order to make sure that I wasn't actually working there. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Once again the morally ?superior? have failed to ask the right questions!
How long have you worked at the hogwan? If you have been there for 6 months then you would be entitled to half of your vacation (5 days)
If you have only been there a month or so then you get squat, which is only fair.
Oh yeah, rule #1 only give notice AFTER payday
I can hardly wait to see your next post where you talk about how badly they ripped you off on you pay |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I did exactly that last year. I got a new job without any trouble and I did not have a letter of release. The only extra thing was that immigration went to my old school in order to make sure that I wasn't actually working there. |
And no doubt during that visit the Immi officer asked if the boss objected to you getting a different job. He didn't. You lucked out. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Once again the morally ?superior? have failed to ask the right questions!
How long have you worked at the hogwan? If you have been there for 6 months then you would be entitled to half of your vacation (5 days)
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As one of the morally superior ones (note lack of quote marks ^^), I'd say that if he quit during the second year, you would be right. Not in the first year. I had 2 jobs at home set up that way. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| "I told my wife I want a divorce and now she doesn't want to have sex with me anymore." |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Grotto wrote: |
Once again the morally ?superior? have failed to ask the right questions!
How long have you worked at the hogwan? If you have been there for 6 months then you would be entitled to half of your vacation (5 days)
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Link to Korean labour law where it says this? If it's not in the contract or in labour law then he's not entitled to anything. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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If you get 10 days vacation over the period of a year contract and have fulfilled half of your contract it would stand to "reason" that you would be entitled to half of your vacation days.
This would be 'common sense' a commodity seriously lacking at times. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Vacation...of course...you quit...you get the SUPAHBAYKAYSHUN!
...now you can kick rocks down the road and whistle to Cottoneye Joe... |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| There may be a law with regards to accumulated vacation. Does someone want to look it up? I don't. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| If you get 10 days vacation over the period of a year contract and have fulfilled half of your contract it would stand to "reason" that you would be entitled to half of your vacation days. |
There is no legal requirement for that particular "entitlement".
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| This would be 'common sense' a commodity seriously lacking at times. |
Everyone would be better served if you presented your opinion as an opinion (which you yourself rarely followed for fear of rocking the boat) and not try to pass off your opinion as a legal fact. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Everyone would be better served if you presented your opinion as an opinion (which you yourself rarely followed for fear of rocking the boat) and not try to pass off your opinion as a legal fact.
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It rears its ugly head once again.
Did I say at any point that it is legal fact? No I didnt! So dont even try to insinuate your stupidity into a thread where you have absolutely no opinion!
Back under your rock scumbag! |
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tony602
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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10 days vaca is just that...it doesnt come at the end of a contract...many hogwons will take five days off in the summer...five in the winter...kind of in accordance with the public schools...since youre not at a public school...you may not get the notification of when that will be, and you may not get to choose, or bid for your vacation like you would back home.
With that said, you are quitting, you should have done so after payday...notice or not...no country can prevent you from leaving...unless youre a wanted criminal...period!!!! If you really want the LOR, that may be all you get, and really all that piece of paper does is it gives you the ability to remain in the country while you obtain another work visa from your new school...if you want out...pack your stuff...and head to Japan while you find a more reputable hogwon to work at....talk to foreign teachers if there are any....and if there arent....thats a big freakin red flag!!! Some say the foreign teacher you may talk to might have a proverbial gun pointed at their head while youre getting some info, but most of us can tell B.S. through certain filters...Id work on that first...........but as far as vaca goes, some jobs back home may pay for time that has not been used.....but this isnt back home.....dont expect the same treatment, and certainly dont feel like you have the "right" to that vaca time anymore.....youve submitted your notice....you have no more rights as far as your director goes.....youre a lame duck....get out while the going is good. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Does vacation pay exist in Korea? Back home it's 4%. It works out to about 2% per week of vacation. A week being 5 working days. If you take all your vacation within the year then you have no vacation pay to collect. Some companies make you take the vacation before your year is up. Some don't and you get your vacation pay for the vacation you did not take. Some let you carry it over to the next year.
The vacation on these contracts don't make sense. There should be some compenstation for vacation not taken. I got mine. I took 6 days out of the ten and I got 4 days paid on my last check of my contractual year.
It's something to think about for anyone signing a new contract. There is probably a law concerning this.
I had a 3-month contract back home and they automatically gave me 1.5 days per month. Pretty good, actually. Don't know why it was so much, but I didn't argue. I think sick days must've been included in that.
It's funny. I think people are under the impression that they have less rights than are actually present. Most of us don't get proof though. Like checks showing precise figures with proper amount deducted after taking vacations and records of sick days, etc. That's where one of the real problems lie (lie ).
Back home, you can call in sick and tell them that you're hung over. Not that anyone would, but it's a legal reason to call in sick. I ended up saying, "I'm sick. Bye." Then there was the odd question "What was wrong?" That's when managers were out of hand. Especially in big companies. "What was wrong?" is a too inquisitive, "make you feel uncomfortable" question. Sometimes it's a genuine question.
Anyway, for all the labor board knows, you took your vacation. If you quit, forget about that. There is probably no hagwon in this country that gives you a tally on your vacation on each check.
It's all kind of a headache when you're in the wild, wild west. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Did I say at any point that it is legal fact? No I didnt! So dont even try to insinuate your stupidity into a thread where you have absolutely no opinion! |
You said that a person was entitled to half their vacation if they served half their contract which is a statement of fact. Rather, it's your opinion and nothing more.
What you should have said was "In my opinion, a person serving half their contract should get half their contractually agreed-to vacation time" which is of far less value than your first message which suggests vacation time is a legal requirement.
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| Back under your rock scumbag! |
Why such hostility? It's not like your track record on things is stellar. Pretty much the only things you tell people which is legally correct is stuff I've corrected you on. Vacation time, salary, severance, letter of release, housing, overtime, severance, visas, whatever. I am your primary source of all things legal and provided you with the links to almost everything you know today. Though it did take linking to the same laws over and over before you finally agreed. |
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