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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: How do you see other posters as teachers? |
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Sometimes I wonder what other posters are like in the classroom.
When a poster asks questions about salary, benefits, and accommodations, but doesn't ask questions about pedagogy, I wonder how much time that poster spends on preparation time.
When a poster habitually flames other posters, I wonder how much empathy that poster shows toward the students.
When a poster shows intolerance toward Korean culture, I wonder if that the students can sense that poster's intolerance.
I also wonder about teachers who make frequent spelling and punctuation errors. Are they giving accurate information in the classroom?
On the other hand, when a poster shows creativity on this board, I suspect that the poster shows creativity in the classroom.
I'm sure most of you have seen Ya-ta Boy's recent gems.
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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I totally imagine you tomato as teaching at one of those rich Seoul kids high schools, prepping students for university entrance exams, full of grammar and history and tons of tests.
Red faced and plump... for obvious reasons. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: How do you see other posters as teachers? |
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| tomato wrote: |
When a poster habitually flames other posters, I wonder how much empathy that poster shows toward the students.
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Maybe the poster is just taking out frustrations on people he/she can't see because they are absolute angels in class and build frustration up
There are way too many variables to actually contemplate this. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on the posters I know and several I used to work with I'd say there's almost no way to tell based on their posts. I did work with one guy who only posted on the OTF and he was about as apathetic in the classroom as they come. I sort of wonder about some people who never offer advice or ask for help on the JRDF and generally come off as know-it-alls. |
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Angelus
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Is it just me, or does the original post have a poetic feel to it? I've only been a member here for a short time, but judging from what I've read, I'd say the ppl here are:
1) nice, normal, and helpful ppl who are just venting their frustrations and socializing=decent teachers
2) the stereotypical drug, sex addict with a fake diploma=horrible teachers because most don't give a rat's ass about anything
3) overly sensitive and opinionated, and high tempered ppl=horrible teachers and coworkers because they bitch and moan about every little thing and make generalizations based on a few bad experiences |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: How do you see other posters as teachers? |
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| tomato wrote: |
Sometimes I wonder what other posters are like in the classroom.
When a poster asks questions about salary, benefits, and accommodations, but doesn't ask questions about pedagogy, I wonder how much time that poster spends on preparation time.
When a poster habitually flames other posters, I wonder how much empathy that poster shows toward the students.
When a poster shows intolerance toward Korean culture, I wonder if that the students can sense that poster's intolerance.
On the other hand, when a poster shows creativity on this board, I suspect that the poster shows creativity in the classroom.
I'm sure most of you have seen Ya-ta Boy's recent gems. |
I made a post on here back before I started teaching, inquiring about how I should expect to dress for work. Yu_Bum_suk said, "If you are, however, more worried about how you'll be dressing than how you'll be teaching, you might want to re-consider your career path." Although a true statement, I was dissatisfied with that comment, and found it unfair.
The point is that it's not possible to determine someone's teaching style based on what they don't post. There are plenty of helpful posts in the Job Related Forum, such that one could glean tons of useful information without starting specific threads about them. Or, perhaps some people would prefer to refer to books, online information, past training, etc. rather than the opinions of random people here when it comes to teaching pedagogy.
That's only regarding your first point. Your final three points seem to make sense. There are a few posters here who I imagine are wonderful teachers, yourself included. Your posts regarding discipline styles have had a tremendous effect on the way I handle my classrooms.
Posts like this one worry me a bit.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I've also wondered about how much of a person's personality is reflected in their posts. I know some people deliberately adopt an online persona. Even that tells something about them.
But yeah, I wonder about this. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I used to hit my students.
A lot.
I'm very confrontational here, but I'm not in 'real life'.
I think the arguments and various crap thrown around here (and in the mod forum, and off the board in 'real life' and on the 'other' boards) over the years have shaped how I perceive this board, and I react accordingly.
Quick to judge, make a joke, poke fun, or get in an argument.
If I ever stop to think about it, this place has been a friggin soap opera of monsterous proportions and has given birth to more than a few drama queens. Great stuff! Must be why I'm still here.
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: How do you see other posters as teachers? |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
Sometimes I wonder what other posters are like in the classroom.
When a poster asks questions about salary, benefits, and accommodations, but doesn't ask questions about pedagogy, I wonder how much time that poster spends on preparation time.
When a poster habitually flames other posters, I wonder how much empathy that poster shows toward the students.
When a poster shows intolerance toward Korean culture, I wonder if that the students can sense that poster's intolerance.
On the other hand, when a poster shows creativity on this board, I suspect that the poster shows creativity in the classroom.
I'm sure most of you have seen Ya-ta Boy's recent gems. |
I made a post on here back before I started teaching, inquiring about how I should expect to dress for work. Yu_Bum_suk said, "If you are, however, more worried about how you'll be dressing than how you'll be teaching, you might want to re-consider your career path." Although a true statement, I was dissatisfied with that comment, and found it unfair.
The point is that it's not possible to determine someone's teaching style based on what they don't post. |
Fair enough point - my belated apologies. I think at the time I had been having a long-standing argument about how to dress for a hogwan job and found all the fuss a bit ridiculous, and the photo of the shoes really made me think you were obsessing, lol. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, VanIslander, but you got me wrong.
I lost my last three jobs because I'm not cut out to teach anything higher than primary school.
Anyone ever worked at School Morgan, near the Beomgye stop?
I almost got a job there when it was a new school. All the surroundings were shiny and ritzy. I didn't feel comfortable, but the recruiters talked me into it.
Then the director backed out because I didn't dress immaculately enough.
I would love for Yu-Bum-Suk to take a shot at that guy. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Sorry, VanIslander, but you got me wrong.
I lost my last three jobs because I'm not cut out to teach anything higher than primary school.
Anyone ever worked at School Morgan, near the Beomgye stop?
I almost got a job there when it was a new school. All the surroundings were shiny and ritzy. I didn't feel comfortable, but the recruiters talked me into it.
Then the director backed out because I didn't dress immaculately enough.
I would love for Yu-Bum-Suk to take a shot at that guy. |
It's funny now sitting here in trousers, a nice sweater, and blazer at my public school desk thinking of when I came to hogwan in flip-flops, tattered shorts and a singlet just to make the point that I could show up in my underwear and I'd still be more professional than management there. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I lost my last three jobs because I'm not cut out to teach anything higher than primary school. |
You lost three jobs? But you're so literate!
And, hey tomato, I notice you didn't contest my description of you as red-faced and plump, eh?  |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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I've worked with 10 wayguks before, at 3 different places. What can I say? I've always been more popular, better grammared, and more interesting than all of them. The adult men invited me to drink soju, the adult women invited me on dates. The boys I wrestled with and threw the ball at, the girls wrote me love letters and volunteered to help me. While I have veered wildly between motivated and indifferent, inspired and negligent, I'm not bound by past mistakes.
Now I relax on my laurels, proud of the generation of East Asians that are known as "the rapier youth."
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
You lost three jobs? But you're so literate! |
Maybe so, but apparently I'm short on a few other required traits.
My father was an English professor, so some of his qualities might have rubbed off on me.
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And, hey tomato, I notice you didn't contest my description of you as red-faced and plump, eh?  |
I've gained weight in recent years, but for some reason, it has all been appended on the ventral side. So I don't look like a tomato.
My moniker comes from my real name, which is Thomas.
The Korean form seems to be �丶��, which sounds like �丶��.
The children tease me by calling me "�丶��," whereupon I chase and tickle them.
That's not very pompous and dignified, is it? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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The ones I wonder most about are those who choose a persona as aggressive, hostile and negative. Some rare, very rare ones, are kind of funny, but I think that is extremely difficult to pull off. I think most of those appeal mainly to others who are trying the same schitck.
Based on nothing at all, I think these are social deviates who had no friends in high school, were considered weird in college and couldn't find work at home because no sane employer would take them on.
But that is just my opinion. |
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