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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Ad hominem? Clearly not. |
Clearly yes ...
Take #2. Here we go again. Let's give him another chance.
Will he manage to "address the issues", rather than opt for the oftimes distracting ploy of personal attacks?
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| The issues at hand are that he offers no concrete evidence to support his claims and that you seem to give undue weight to them because he's a public figure. The fact that he's an actor certainly brings attention to his soapbox rantings, but it doesn't make his interpretation of the events any more valid the other conspiracy theories. If you continue to believe his unsubstantiated claims for the simple reason that you are star struck, then maybe you should also consider becoming a Scientologist. |
Nice try.
Given your refusal to refrain from insults, combined with continual straw man portrayals, it's now all too clear where you stand on the issue of the all-too messy Operation Northwoods (revisited) 9/11 cover-up fiasco.
Right in there with Joo-HOMINEM and Bully.
1) He offers no concrete evidence.
Concrete? Now that's ironic.
Did you listen to the interview with Alex Jones? Do you know what happened to the two main towers' debris? Where did it all "disappear" to? Have you looked into the seismic records at the time?
Why did WTC#7 fall when it was only hit by some small debris?
Why won't Larry Silverstein come clean?
Why did so many witnesses say the buildings appeared to be controlled demolitions?
2 ) Star struck? This coming from a poster who calls himself "Hollywood"? Yah right.
3 ) Undue weight to his views & analysis b/c he's a public figure? No. Wrong again. Sheen is part of the 3rd wave. I've been able to see through the weak "official" line conspiracy theory lies for some time now.
4) Soapbox "rantings"? Are you clear on what constitutes a rant? Was he raising his voice? Sheen in fact seemed very calm & articulate.
5) Unsubstantiated claims? Such as?
While the "Whitewash" / WARREN Commission had its part to play, the number of unanswered questions remains staggering.
Hmmmmmm ... wonder why the "good guy" authorities don't want to go there?
For what it's worth:
84% of CNN poll respondants recently agreed the official investigation & response to 9/11 has NOT been anywhere near honest.
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On the other hand
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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84% of CNN poll respondants agreed the authorities are NOT being honest re: 9/11.
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Yeah, but almost 100% of American voters went for a Skull And Bonesman last election, so what does that tell you?  |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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IGTG wrote:
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84% of CNN poll respondants agreed the authorities are NOT being honest re: 9/11.
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Yeah, but almost 100% of American voters went for a Skull And Bonesman last election,
so what does that tell you?  |
One thing it should tell people is that "freedom loving" Americans can have either apples OR oranges,
but damned it they'll be allowed kiwis or bananas.
Pepsi OR Coke = Democracy and freedom of choice.
Sorry kids, Sprite or Orange Crush, Root Beer and the like = poison, treason, communist oppression,
anti-social thought crimes, terrorism & death.
The Most Incriminating Evidence is...
None of the 8 indestructible Black Boxes had been found at any of the 3 Crash sites
Bush administration lawyers seeking to limit the victims' families access to global evidence in their suits against the airlines?
Insider Trading
The warnings ignored from Israel, Germany, Egypt, UK, and Russia
The belated 911 Commision and the subsequent whitewash.
The WTC7 collapse (or pull)
Rewarding failure and incompetance with promotions
Alleged hijackers later contacting their embassies to complain
Air Defense stand down
Mohammed Atta wired $100,000 by the ISI.
Bush reading "My Pet Goat" even after the second plane struck.
Something that's not listed here....
http://www.bravocharlie911.com/ |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES
I believe the articles below thoroughly refute the various 9/11 conspiracy theories. One of these conspiracy theories says President Bush and other top government officials deliberately ignored intelligence information that pointed to impending terrorist attacks by Al Qaeda. Another theory says Al Qaeda had nothing to do with the attacks, that they were carried out by the U.S. military at the behest of the oil industry and the military industrial complex, and that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile (and not by a Boeing passenger jet). Which is it going to be? Yet another theory holds that terrorists did indeed fly planes into the World Trade Center but that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile that was fired by our own military in order to intimidate Congress! Wouldn't the military have fired the missile at the Congressional Office Building or at the Capital Building if they wanted to intimidate Congress? Why would anyone have thought that firing a missile at the Pentagon would intimidate Congress? And what about the fact that the remains of the passengers on Flight 77 were recovered from the wreckage at the Pentagon? What about the fact that both of Flight 77's black boxes were recovered from the wreckage? What about the fact that numerous witnesses specified that they saw a jetliner approach and/or hit the Pentagon? What about the fact that photos from that day show plane debris near the hole that the jetliner tore into the Pentagon? What about the fact that witnesses saw plane debris in the wreckage? The articles below present evidence that Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and they take a critical look at the theory that the Pentagon was not struck by Flight 77.
Answers to Questions Posed by Conspiracy Theorists About the 9/11 Attack on the Pentagon
An Engineer and a Physicist Refute the Theory that a Missile Hit the Pentagon on 9/11
New Simulation Shows 9/11 Plane Crash with Scientific Detail. Scientific animated simulation showing that a Boeing 757 could indeed have done the damage that was done to the Pentagon.
September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna. Another scientific computer simulation of the Crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon, with additional scientific commentary showing that the "official" version of the Pentagon attack is entirely plausible
No Airliner Crash at the Pentagon?
USA Today Site on 9/11 Pentagon Attack (Very Good Graphics and Text Explaining the Damage and the Crash)
Refutation of the Theory that A Missile Struck the Pentagon on 9/11
Al Qaeda Admits It Was Behind the 9/11 Attacks
Debunking the Bunk About 9/11
Oil Conspiracy Redux
What the President Knew and When He Knew It
Why the WTC Towers Collapsed So "Quickly"
Dissecting Disinformation: The "No Boeing 757" Theory
9/11 Denial
Dissonance About the 9/11 Attacks
French Buy Into 9/11 Conspiracy
Detainees Reveal Bin Laden's Reaction to 9/11 Attacks
Egyptians Knew of Planned 9/11 Attacks
One Member of Buffalo Al Qaeda Sleeper Cell Knew About 9/11 Plan
CIA Director George Tenet on the Terrorist Activities that Preceded the 9/11 Attacks
Cynthia McKinney's Insanity and Hypocrisy
When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
What DIDN'T Really Happen
The 9/11 X-Files
9/11 Chronology
How the Left Caused the 9/11 Attacks
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
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9/11 Stock Options Update
The FBI has closed its investigation into the "put" options that sold UAL and AMR short just before the attacks, saying there is no evidence of foreknowledge in the trading:
On Sept. 10, 2001, put options on AMR were 17 times their average volume of 269 contracts. On Sept. 6, 2001, UAL put options were traded at more than four times their average volume of 711 contracts.
At the same time, some experts cautioned that because of the light volume in most option contracts, an increase can seem eye-popping.
London regulators thought they had something in the short-selling of big airline stocks before Sept. 11, but traced the activity to one of their small competitors.
Hmm. Finally, someone adds some context to the "17 times their average volume" claim. I doubt this will satisfy the moonbats, though |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES
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So Joo, tell us.
Do you then believe the "OFFICIAL" conspiracy theory,
or do you feel this is the only one we dare not challenge or question? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES
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So Joo, tell us.
Do you then believe the "OFFICIAL" conspiracy theory,
or do you feel this is the only one we dare not challenge or question? |
I believe it is more or less true. Except perhaps for some details that have been spun to cover up incompetence by the government.
Here is another theory most of the 9-11 conspriacy theorists say what they do cause they have an objective to weaken or even overthrow the US government. Unlike the stuff on your sites this theory isn't nonsense. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I believe it is more or less true. Except perhaps for some details that have been spun to cover up incompetence by the government. |
I'm glad you raised the issue of insider accountability. Do you know how many people were demoted because of their "incompetence" on this day?
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Here is another theory most of the 9-11 conspriacy theorists say what they do cause they have an objective to weaken or even overthrow the US government. Unlike the stuff on your sites this theory isn't nonsense. |
Another theory? And that is ... ???
Weaken or overthrow the CONSTITUTION is more like it.
It's largely what the whole day was about, hence Bush's enabling i.e. UN-"Patriot" Act.
Few people diagree there was a conspiracy afoot which contributed to the events of 9/11. People such as yourself however simply subscribe to the "OFFICIAL" conspiracy theory, rather than question it  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| I'm glad you raised the issue of insider accountability. Do you know how many people were demoted because of their "incompetence" on this day |
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I don't but I would not believe a report by you.
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Another theory? And that is ... ???
Weaken or overthrow the CONSTITUTION is more like it.
It 's largely what the whole day was about, hence Bush's enabling i.e. UN-"Patriot" Act. |
the fact that your sites supports are pro nazi and root for regimes that are among the most oppressive in the world when they fight against the tells us just how concerned they are about freedom and tolerance.
Even with the Patriot act the US is one of the most tolerent and free societies in the world.
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Few people diagree there was a conspiracy afoot which contributed to the evetns of 9/11. People such as yourself however simply subscribe to the "OFFICAL" conspiracy theory, rather than question it  |
The conspriacy was by Al Qaida and the other conspriacy is by fascists like Jeff Rense to spread misinformation. |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Charlie Sheen: 'Challenge Me On the Facts'
Charlie Sheen speaks on the record for the first time since Monday's interview in which he expressed his serious doubts about the official 9/11 story, comments which caused a firestorm of controversy and interest amongst the mainstream media.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240306sheen.htm |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Former Head Of Star Wars Program
Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President��s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors.
His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country��s foremost experts on National Security.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm |
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Hollywoodaction
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Ad hominem? Clearly not. |
Clearly yes ...
Take #2. Here we go again. Let's give him another chance.
Will he manage to "address the issues", rather than opt for the oftimes distracting ploy of personal attacks?
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| The issues at hand are that he offers no concrete evidence to support his claims and that you seem to give undue weight to them because he's a public figure. The fact that he's an actor certainly brings attention to his soapbox rantings, but it doesn't make his interpretation of the events any more valid the other conspiracy theories. If you continue to believe his unsubstantiated claims for the simple reason that you are star struck, then maybe you should also consider becoming a Scientologist. |
Nice try.
Given your refusal to refrain from insults, combined with continual straw man portrayals, it's now all too clear where you stand on the issue of the all-too messy Operation Northwoods (revisited) 9/11 cover-up fiasco.
Right in there with Joo-HOMINEM and Bully.
1) He offers no concrete evidence.
Concrete? Now that's ironic.
Did you listen to the interview with Alex Jones? Do you know what happened to the two main towers' debris? Where did it all "disappear" to? Have you looked into the seismic records at the time?
[color=red] Disappeared? It was recycled into very 'tastefully' designed memorabilia.
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Jan/25776.htm
Why did WTC#7 fall when it was only hit by some small debris?
Why won't Larry Silverstein come clean?
Why did so many witnesses say the buildings appeared to be controlled demolitions?
Oh, and I'm sure these witnesses were all experts in building demolition. People tend to rationalize things they can't understand, especially if they are surreal and horrific. It's a defence mechanism. And it certainly was surreal. When I tuned into CNN as the second plane hit the World Trade Center, I thought I was watching a preview for the latest piece of schlock by Jerry Bruckheimer.
2 ) Star struck? This coming from a poster who calls himself "Hollywood"? Yah right.
As you may be able to tell from my previous comment, I'm far from being a fan of hollywood action movies. My nic is a Korean idiom that refers to Anton Ono's supposed overly theatrical reaction to having been cut off by a Korean skater during the 2002 Winter Games.
3 ) Undue weight to his views & analysis b/c he's a public figure? No. Wrong again. Sheen is part of the 3rd wave. I've been able to see through the weak "official" line conspiracy theory lies for some time now.
3rd wave? More like the 3rd strike. You've been able to see throught the official line? Would you're name be Jerod by any chance?
4) Soapbox "rantings"? Are you clear on what constitutes a rant? Was he raising his voice? Sheen in fact seemed very calm & articulate.
Oh, gee. You got me. He didn't even have a soapbox, either.
It was a figure of speech.
5) Unsubstantiated claims? Such as?
While the "Whitewash" / WARREN Commission had its part to play, the number of unanswered questions remains staggering.
Such as: Were aliens involved? Is Bush the anti-christ? Is the CIA putting something in the water to control our minds?
Hmmmmmm ... wonder why the "good guy" authorities don't want to go there?
For what it's worth:
84% of CNN poll respondants recently agreed the official investigation & response to 9/11 has NOT been anywhere near honest. |
As it ever occured to any of these so-called experts that the World Trade Center collapsed in such a way because of its design? |
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some waygug-in
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Gee no, I guess they never thought of that.
Give this guy a medal, he's solved the mystery , where thousands of others are left baffled, you are the one who saw through it all.  |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| As it ever occured to any of these so-called experts that the World Trade Center collapsed in such a way because of its design? |
Actually, many skeptics ARE bonafide "experts". Did you happen to catch this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815
Former Head Of Star Wars Program
Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President��s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors.
His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country��s foremost experts on National Security.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm
While really it's beside the point, for his part, playboy Sheen has a degree in engineering.
What happened is said to have to have literally defied the laws of physics.
As unpleasant as it is to contemplate, multiple bombs strategically planted in order to execute controlled demolitions is much more like it.
Alex Jones on MTV
... talking about Charlie Sheen and the inside job of 9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNFCRBvKAs4&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b
The top 15 reasons to doubt the official story of Sept. 11, 2001
Background Issues: The Abiding Truth Deficit
1) The 9/11 Commission Fraud: Conflicts, Collapse and Cover-up
2) The Hundreds of Still Unanswered Questions, the Scores of Documented Lies
Motive Issues: Cui Bono - Who Profits Most?
3) Instant Fulfillment of Neocon Wish List
4) Political Bonanza for Bush/Rove team
5) Scale and Diversity of Profiteering
Means and Opportunity Issues: How to Make it Happen
6) Ignored Foreign Warnings
7) Quashed Domestic Investigations
Incapacitated Oversight
9) Disabled Air Defenses
10) The Amazing Disappearing National Chain of Command
11) The Pakistan Intelligence Chief Who Loved Everyone At Once
Aftermath Issues: How to Keep the Lid On
12) The Bitter Fight Against Investigations
13) The Amazing Disappearing Evidence
14) The Amazing Disappearing Demand for Accountability
Wildcard Issues: Just How Stupid They Think We Are
15) The Ripley Believe It or Not Sideshow of 9/11 Miracles
Epilogue: For the 9/11 Legacy Victims Still Dying in New York
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646 |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Gee no, I guess they never thought of that.
Give this guy a medal, he's solved the mystery , where thousands of others are left baffled, you are the one who saw through it all. |
Ah, now all our resident conspiracy whackos are joining the party- glad you could make it, Some Waeguk-nom!
Are you here to tell us how the faked Moon Landings, or Area 51, or JFK's assassination all fit into Charlie Sheen's world view?
Anyway, here's a bone for you to chew on:
World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects
And another. For those who don't know, one of the reasons questions of a 9/11 conspiracy are resurfacing, and Charlie Sheen is talking about it, is because David Ray Griffin has just released a book, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11.
A Critique of Charlie Sheen and David Ray Griffin
Since WTC 7 is the last refuge of conspiracy theorists, both sides might want to pay close attention to what is said about WTC 7 in both of these articles.
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REFRESHER:
And although it's been brought up before, it seems like it can't be brought up enough, so for reference here is the Popular Mechanics article that is referred to by both sides so often:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
And here are all the claims of people 'debunking' the PM article:
http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Yah, isn't that the article written by Director of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff's cousin?
What really made the whole thing look just a tad suspicious is that Chertoff ( the author ) claimed not have known they were cousins  |
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