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Is there anyone working in Korea but not teaching English???
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non-teaching jobs can include positions where you are still working for a company that runs schools, but instead work as a researcher (which is the case with me).

I don't think most are as bad as one person described. I work 10 hours with an hour lunch, 5 days a week. It's semi-formal, a tie isn't required. I wear a polo shirt with slacks and tennis shoes. We can wear casual on Fridays.

The job is project based with deadlines, so we have the flexiblity if we need to do something during the day (a perfect example is that I have to goto the US embassy on Friday) we can take time off and don't have to make it up as long as we are on target to meet the deadlines. You pretty much take breaks when you want and just have to get your work done.

Maybe I'm just lucky...
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach but also work as a consultant.

This did require Korean language proficiency however. Most or perhaps just many non-ESL jobs require that plus a degree (or equivalent professional experience) in the field of work.

Btw..why the eye-roll?
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: I am from Hong Kong... Reply with quote

tzechuk,
Yes, I am holding F2.
The photo is your daughter? I am from Hong Kong. Where are you from?


JongnoGuru,
Thank you for your advice.
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
I teach but also work as a consultant.

This did require Korean language proficiency however. Most or perhaps just many non-ESL jobs require that plus a degree (or equivalent professional experience) in the field of work.

Btw..why the eye-roll?



Do you mind telling me what kind of consultant job you are doing?
What it needs is just a relevant degree?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christy,

F2's are nice, certainly it gives you a lot of latitude in terms of the type of job you want.

Working research and development is definately much diffrent from teaching, but still tied directly to English institutes.
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Christy,

F2's are nice, certainly it gives you a lot of latitude in terms of the type of job you want.

Working research and development is definately much diffrent from teaching, but still tied directly to English institutes.


Milwaukiedave,

Oh, really?! I really have latitude in finding job Rolling Eyes

Although I am not English native, my English is definitely better than many Koreans. I have confidence working in English institutes or else.
Just I am holding BSc (Hon) APhys....which I think will not help in pursuing my career Embarassed
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you graduate from Christy?
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Where did you graduate from Christy?


Homer,
I graduated from the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology.
Why asked?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious.

Thanks for answering. Very Happy
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant by latitude is that you can work in many diffrent fields with an F-2 visa.
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer,
you are welcome. haha...



Milwaukiedave wrote:
What I meant by latitude is that you can work in many diffrent fields with an F-2 visa.


Milwaukiedave,
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worked in ESL here for six years. Got to the top - great uni gig, did a TV show for two years, paid off my loans and saved a ton.

I was bored as hell. Because I taught the same damnned 2-hour lesson ten times a week at the uni, it was a personal challenge to see how hungover I could be on Friday, and still teach as well as I had on Tuesday. You could guarantee the best place to find me was on a barstool somewhere in Itaewon, on any Thursday night, with the boyfriend beside me.

We saved our money, got married, went back to Canada and both got MBAs. Didn��t like the prospect of being a brand manager for L��Oreal, or Procter & Gamble, so came back to Korea.

One thing you must know, it is HARD to find a decent E-7 job. Even then, most will have more of an ESL angle than you��d like. The places that really NEED you can��t hire you, because they��re too small, or not in an industry that allows it. I��m lucky that I��m in a company that really wants me here, gives me the resources to do this job, and treats me well, even though I��m the only foreigner. It was a roller-coaster ride getting here, and I really had to fight for the job I have now.

The brilliant boyfriend-now-husband (with more of a finance angle to his MBA) has also had a roller coaster ride, and in the end, in order to do what he is really interested in here, has to create his own company. It��s tough putting together the cash for an investor visa, (namely asking for help from parents, after refusing to do so all through grad school) but it��s the only option, really.

In the end, is it worth it? Yes. I come home talking about my day with a bright smiling face, full of ideas to discuss with the hubby, and in general happy to be using my mind. But at my last non-teaching job in Korea I was utterly miserable. It��s a coin toss, really. Not all jobs are alike.

Salarywise, most certainly not. If people hustle from teaching job to teaching job, or even just have a few select classes, they can make MUCH more money, in overall fewer hours, with much more flexibility. It depresses me, but I know I might have to consider going back to teaching for a while after we have kids, because most companies aren��t quite ��family friendly��.

If it��s all about the money, stay in ESL. If you can��t really consider ESL a real ��life��, try it. But don��t burn all your old teaching materials.
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ChristyMum



Joined: 23 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simone,
Thank you for your sharing and I am curious to ask what kind of business does your brilliant hubby run? And what kind of non-teaching job do you have in Korea?
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChristyMum wrote:
simone,
Thank you for your sharing and I am curious to ask what kind of business does your brilliant hubby run? And what kind of non-teaching job do you have in Korea?


The hubby's business is still in its early stages. Lots of planning at this point, only lining up a few clients. Esentially, it relates to increasing accessibility of the Korean stock market to international investors... when it's all sorted out, I may post a link on here. Wink

I work for a well-known Korean company, as the only foreigner, as their international marketer. They're big in Korea, and while they only have a few international sales a year, they tend to be very profitable. So they brought in me.... and there's a LOT to do.

One thing that frustrates me is that when companies want to get into exporting, they must (by immigration law) demonstrate more than 100,000$us in exports a year before they can legally hire a foreigner for marketing purposes. (It's easier to hire an Indian or Russian computer programmer, though.) But this is a chicken-and-egg problem... if they can't make the sales without the foreigner, but can't get the foreigner until they make the sales.

My company is looking at dramatically increasing the number of foreigners in 2-5 years, if I work out as well as the CEO hopes I will. But no pressure, eh? Wink So back to work for me...
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