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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: whats a jumper? Reply with quote

I'm preparing a lesson on clothes for next week because its something all my little darlings like to talk about. I've got a nice handout with clear drawings of umpteen common items of apparel. I'll prompt them to name as many as they can (& flush out a fair bit of konglish) then we'll go over the proper names.

Therein lies the problem. Clothing terms vary a lot regionally, I dont want to confound the kids with too many variants, & I dont want to impose my own narrow regionalism. Help me out here deciphering the most generic terms.

Is a T-shirt called a "T" anywhere outside Korea? What do I call the "hood T's" the kids are talking about -- hooded T-shirt?

I teach "pants." Trousers is mostly a Brit thing isnt it?

Panties are for girls. Is underpants the best male equivalent?

Konglish "running" or "running shirt" -- just undershirt?

I want to say bathing suit but I think swimsuit is the more widespread usage?

I say scarf but the kids often come out with muffler -- is that also correct?

Do non-Canadians say tuque or is wool hat a better alternative?

Sports shoes have many names -- is sneakers the most generic?

Training suits are suddenly popular here -- is that the best term?

Oh, & what exactly is a jumper?


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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A jumper is a sweater/jersey isn't it?
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SirFink



Joined: 05 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an American, I've never heard of a "tuque." Sneakers I've always called "tennis shoes," though that may be old-fashioned. Training suits? Track suits, perhaps? Running suits? Didn't someone here recently call them "trackies" ? I'm going to guess he was British. A jumper is a 1-piece outfit for a toddler. Though it could be for adults, i.e. jumpsuit, a 1-piece astronaut type thing.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never know where your kids will end up. I'd cover your bases and at least mention the regional differences.

To Canucks and 'Mericans a jumper is generally baby clothing, but in the UK ( and here) they're talking about a sweater.
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red headed stranger



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are different definitions of Jumper depending on where you are. In the Midwest US, I have usually associated a jumper as being a sleeveless collarless dress that would be worn with some sort of shirt underneath it. Something like:




Often people will call those one piece baby garments "onesies."
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Re: whats a jumper? Reply with quote

A jumper is a pullover light raincoat.

It's also some very different things I've discovered in recent years. Teach the variety.

schwa wrote:
I teach "pants." Trousers is mostly a Brit thing isnt it?

It's in New Zealand too. And the European workers here at the Daewoo shipyards also use "trousers".

Why not teach BOTH?

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Panties are for girls. Is underpants the best male equivalent?

underwear! omfg you've been away from Canada too long,... it's underwear.

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I want to say bathing suit but I think swimsuit is the more widespread usage?

If you're talking about women's swimwear then indicate that all aren't "bikini" an overused term hereabouts.

For guys.... trunks.

Teach a variety of usage (emphasize one but at least mention and cite alternatives).

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IDo non-Canadians say tuque or is wool hat a better alternative?

I've heard ski cap a lot.

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Sports shoes have many names -- is sneakers the most generic?

No. Sneakers are really a kind of casual shoe.


But we sometimes call the WHOLE by the PART (what's the literary term for that, I learned in university, but can't recall). So sneakers is used more generally sometimes.

Athletic shoes, runners, cross trainers... are all PART of the shoewear inventory and yet they are each used to refer to all too.

Download pictures of each from the Internet, label and explain the tendency to use or the other term more generally.
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tiger fancini



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so who knows what a tanktop is then?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiger fancini wrote:
Ok so who knows what a tanktop is then?

looks like a tank: it's short, often with a couple of cannonballs inside.



A cut-off !

USE PICTURES when teaching clothes. Seriously. It's more interesting and you can capture variety better.
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tiger fancini



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
tiger fancini wrote:
Ok so who knows what a tanktop is then?

looks like a tank: it's short, often with a couple of cannonballs inside.



A cut-off !

USE PICTURES when teaching clothes. Seriously. It's more interesting and you can capture variety better.


You're on the right lines, but to me a tanktop must be made of thick and-scratchy wool (the type thats really uncomfortable to wear), and preferably be green or purple in colour.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought a "Jumper" was a person wanting to off themselves, usu by jumping off a tall bldg.

Or it could be British for a sweater/hooded sweatshirt/light jacket...I think it's just supposed to be some light-weight garment you can easily throw on to keep warm...or sth like that.

"Underwear" might be fine for both boys and girls. Tell them, "Hey kids, Mr. Schwa isn't wearing any panties. Hee, hee." That'll probably get some shock from them as well as a few "Byuhn-tae!!!"s...always fun. I usu go with underwear for both, briefs for both, panties for women, and boxers for men and either have a pic or draw Zola/Jollaman(woman) wearing the appropriate style. "G-string" for "T-panty", if you feel you have to go there.

As VI was saying, it depends alot on regional differences for footwear. I think that "sneakers" is ok for runners/athletic shoes/running shoes/whatever. I think "track shoes" are special kind of shoes for sprinters/runners. Tennis shoes or badminton shoes might be better covered with "court shoes".

How about getting 'em to try on "slacks" for pants or trousers? What word do you give for pantyhose? Nylons? Stockings? Paen-tee Suh-tohk-keeeng?
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google images: there's plenty of pictures like those of the first two pages:






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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for tuque, which in only something us Canadians say, just teach them what you normally say. Don't confuse yourself. Other English speakers will understand them when they say what they want. IF you HAVE time, teach them the different versions, but don't worry too much about it.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: whats a jumper? Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Is a T-shirt called a "T" anywhere outside Korea? What do I call the "hood T's" the kids are talking about -- hooded T-shirt?


Us Ukers tend to call it a t-shirt, not just tee.

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I teach "pants." Trousers is mostly a Brit thing isnt it?


Most certainly.

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Panties are for girls. Is underpants the best male equivalent?


I suppose so.

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Konglish "running" or "running shirt" -- just undershirt?


Yes, although I can never quite understand this..

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I want to say bathing suit but I think swimsuit is the more widespread usage?


Us Ukers call them swimming costume for the ladies and swimming trunks for the gents.

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I say scarf but the kids often come out with muffler -- is that also correct?


Koreans call them muffler. I say scarf.


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Sports shoes have many names -- is sneakers the most generic?


Trainers in the UK.

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Training suits are suddenly popular here -- is that the best term?


Tracksuits in the UK.

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Oh, & what exactly is a jumper?


Sweater/pullover in the UK... jumper in Korea is a light jacket.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A T-shirt always has short sleeves, no buttons and no collar. It usually has a crew neck.

A shirt with long sleeves, a hood, buttons, or a collar at the neck can not be called a T-shirt.

If it has long sleeves it could be a sweatshirt or a pullover.

If it has a hood, it is a "hooded" _______ .

If it has short sleeves and a collar it is a sport shirt, or a polo shirt, or a golf shirt or ... (many other names).

With buttons it could be a "button down" or "button up" or "oxford".

Women's clothes have so many names, I'd stick with the basics, like blouse, sun dress, jumper, skirt, shorts, and skorts.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way people complain on this board, I am surprised we don't have a few jumpers now and then...
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