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forgesteel

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
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OK, you've stated an opinion. Now back it up. I backed mine up. I defined teaching real quickly.
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When this forum advertises as a forum that does this (pays people for their opinion) as a custom, I'll take your riposte seriously. Til then, I'll not be holding my breath on any such proposition.
I am talking about a business, and work after hours. You are talking about a community bulletin board. Where is the similarity??
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forgesteel

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: Re: going rate for modeling: what is it? |
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Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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Question: Should I charge for my modeling services? If so, how much is reasonable to charge, i.e. what is the going rate for this type of thing in Korea?
Cheers, and thanks in advance for your responses, |
Since your an employee of the hagwon, don't expect anything more than the gratitude of your boss (and you basically can't refuse). But, just to let you known, how much you would get if you weren't an employee would depend on how famous you are, who the ads are for, and how much exposure they will get. My son has done some modeling here and print ads simply don't pay all that well. You'd probably get nothing for a locally published ad, 30 to 70 thousand won if these pictures were taken for a nationally distributed catalogue or magazine, but you could expect 600 000 to 1 400 000 if you were doing TV commericals to be shown in Korea and abroad. |
Wow, the thread has seen actual INFORMATION posted to it! DATA! Miracles never cease.
Thanks for the info.
As I think I've made abundantly clear by now, I am farily confident that no more pictures will be taken as no money is customarily given for these services in the hagwon example.
Of course, I CAN refuse. I've done it (sat for the photos) for free numerous times now. If he needs more pictures, I can't understand why he isn't willing to pay me for them if they need them so desperately.
Practically speaking, I will only refuse if it is scheduled off hours. Otherwise, I think taking pictures is perfectly reasonable. In the past, the photo sessions have been scheduled off hours, which I found distasteful, since it was not a mere 30 minutes of my time, which I could've easily stomached. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Are you interested in doing some, ya know, adult modelling? |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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In a way I agree with the OP. I hated it when my old school kept using my photo in their flyers. It really made me angry that they just wouldn't stop doing it. I wasn't working there anymore but I still see my face every few weeks.
I wouldn't agree to a photo session again either. I also feel that it isn't my responsibility to agree to that. Mostly I don't know where those pictures will end up.
Agreeing to anything the boss thinks up doesn't mean anything at the end of the contract. The boss may be your best friend during the year and you do everything he wants to make the school do well...and he then will shaft you on severance, final pay or airfare.
I try not to do things that do not relate to teaching. Cleaning the school, moving furniture, writing books (unless paid for it), posing for pictures. It is best to not bend too much in non-teaching things. |
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spike.matt
Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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there is of course no law which says that you must subject yourself to having your picture put on a flyer used for advertisment. Your contract doesn't include anything about it either. You have no legal responsibility to have your picture taken. that said, people here who disagree with your attitude are appealing to a standard of morals, of common courtesy which you obviously do not feel attached to. it is easy to disagree with someone if you say "why should i follow your standard?"
were you honestly asking for a going rate for modeling? you seem like an intelligent person. I would think it is fairly obvious that a hakwon is not going to pay you to be their model. You seem to already have the answer for your dilema, yet you bring it to this board? I find that shows your character more than how you handled the "modeling" issue. |
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forgesteel

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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spike.matt wrote: |
there is of course no law which says that you must subject yourself to having your picture put on a flyer used for advertisment. Your contract doesn't include anything about it either. You have no legal responsibility to have your picture taken. that said, people here who disagree with your attitude are appealing to a standard of morals, of common courtesy which you obviously do not feel attached to. it is easy to disagree with someone if you say "why should i follow your standard?"
were you honestly asking for a going rate for modeling? you seem like an intelligent person. I would think it is fairly obvious that a hakwon is not going to pay you to be their model. You seem to already have the answer for your dilema, yet you bring it to this board? I find that shows your character more than how you handled the "modeling" issue. |
my question was in earnest. i spent a lot of time in the past 3 months taking pictures. a lot of off-hours time. it's getting old. nothing's free on one end, so why should we expect the reverse to be true. when pay time comes, can i reasonably ask my boss: "Hey throw in the paycheck a couple extra OT hours, just cause I'm a nice guy? Can you do that? Is that cool? Why not? I'm a good worker, aren't I? You like and appreciate me, don't you? You don't want me to go find another, better hagwon, do you?!"
i justified my position earlier: i think i ought to get paid for my time, and my better-than-average looking mug. at least for the former! end of story. it's not really as convoluted as any of you try to make it out to be. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I skipped all the ranting in the middle three pages because it it seemed to bet getting silly, but I saw the answer in there somewhere:
It is a teacher's market, and often Korean bosses won't compensate you for extra duties(or anything they feel they can get away with) unless you push them.
So, you just tell him you won't sit for any more photos without some compensation, it's only fair, right? If he says no: the end.
But asking for pay retroactively seems weak at my end. If you had thought to ask for it first, no problem. But trying to force the guy to pay you for something already done, now that, in the Korean context, may be more trouble than it's worth. Especially as the going rate(as mentioned in an earlier post) isn't really that much. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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It's really simple. If you are working (ie taking pictures) outside of your contract hours or on days off, you deserve overtime. As for the modeling fee, give me a break and tone down the ego a bit. |
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semphoon

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: Where Nowon is
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Does your hagwon provide you with food?
Mine does. I always think about this - in the west you bring your sandwiches for lunch or you go out and buy something. The idea of a company buying your lunch for you is very strange in the west. Here, it's assumed they will.
In conclusion....little girl likes her brain. |
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forgesteel

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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flotsam wrote: |
I skipped all the ranting in the middle three pages because it it seemed to bet getting silly, but I saw the answer in there somewhere:
It is a teacher's market, and often Korean bosses won't compensate you for extra duties(or anything they feel they can get away with) unless you push them.
But asking for pay retroactively seems weak at my end. If you had thought to ask for it first, no problem. But trying to force the guy to pay you for something already done, now that, in the Korean context, may be more trouble than it's worth. Especially as the going rate(as mentioned in an earlier post) isn't really that much. |
I am not asking for pay, retroactively. |
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forgesteel

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
It's really simple. If you are working (ie taking pictures) outside of your contract hours or on days off, you deserve overtime. As for the modeling fee, give me a break and tone down the ego a bit. |
'Modeling fee?' I never mentioned any such thing. I did make it clear many times, however, that I'd like to be compensated for my time and trouble. |
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forgesteel

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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semphoon wrote: |
Does your hagwon provide you with food?
Mine does. I always think about this - in the west you bring your sandwiches for lunch or you go out and buy something. The idea of a company buying your lunch for you is very strange in the west. Here, it's assumed they will.
In conclusion....little girl likes her brain. |
Mine does on the rare occassion provide free meals. Not as a general rule, not even close. I've gotten maybe 2 free meals, each costing approximately 3 dollars. Since I've been here 3 months, I can expect maybe 6 more. That's 24 dollars. And if I am not expected to sit for any more pictures, I guess we can call it even (we will no matter). But, as I've said a couple times, I am not wanting pay retroactively. But the pictures they've taken thus far ought to suffice if they expect free to be the cost of sitting for pictures off the clock. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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forgesteel wrote: |
laogaiguk wrote: |
It's really simple. If you are working (ie taking pictures) outside of your contract hours or on days off, you deserve overtime. As for the modeling fee, give me a break and tone down the ego a bit. |
'Modeling fee?' I never mentioned any such thing. I did make it clear many times, however, that I'd like to be compensated for my time and trouble. |
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going rate for modeling: what is it?
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My director has asked me more than a couple times to take pictures which the hagwon has then subsequently used in their marketing and advertising efforts.
Question: Should I charge for my modeling services? If so, how much is reasonable to charge, i.e. what is the going rate for this type of thing in Korea?
Of course, I think I ought to charge, since:
1. these aren't services outlined in my contract
2. my time ain't free
3. i'm not ugly, etc.
Cheers, and thanks in advance for your responses, |
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forgesteel

Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
forgesteel wrote: |
laogaiguk wrote: |
It's really simple. If you are working (ie taking pictures) outside of your contract hours or on days off, you deserve overtime. As for the modeling fee, give me a break and tone down the ego a bit. |
'Modeling fee?' I never mentioned any such thing. I did make it clear many times, however, that I'd like to be compensated for my time and trouble. |
The Title
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going rate for modeling: what is it?
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The OP
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My director has asked me more than a couple times to take pictures which the hagwon has then subsequently used in their marketing and advertising efforts.
Question: Should I charge for my modeling services? If so, how much is reasonable to charge, i.e. what is the going rate for this type of thing in Korea?
Of course, I think I ought to charge, since:
1. these aren't services outlined in my contract
2. my time ain't free
3. i'm not ugly, etc.
Cheers, and thanks in advance for your responses, |
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OK. My one post mentioned something along these lines. Did I mention it again? Even if I did, it is just semantics. Call it whatever you like. The crux of my the majority of posts have been about receiving remuneration for the time I have bothered to give. I have repeatedly stressed this point. You are now trying to misrepresent the character of my argument by asserting that I stressed one thing (modelling services, whatever that might mean) when in fact I was stressing the time I put in, in the grand majority of my posts. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I say go for it. In the long run it might land you a video gig. Perhaps you could replace that badly-dressed and misinformed white bozo on EBS. The one who makes all of us look like idiots. 'Today, we're going to talk about adverbs of FREQUENCY!' Take his job, please. (He might be a poster here, but I don't think he knows where I live.) |
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