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What do Koreans think foreigners don't know about Korea?
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it amusing that no less than three people were so interested in the young lesbian hang-out that they made posts asking for more info. Haha! Laughing

A couple months ago, I learned about some archaic Korean letters that are now obsolete. (Info here.) I've spoken to several Koreans who didn't know about them, and the ones who did were highly impressed at my knowledge.

"Wow, how did you learn about that?"
"I was just reading a web site about Korean language and stumbled upon it..."
"You are so smart! What a great student!"
"You just now noticed? tee hee."
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tomato



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Koreans seem to think foreigners are not only ignorant of matters Korean, but ignorant period!

On a kindergarten field trip in Gumi, we saw another group which was on a field trip. The other teacher explained to me that they were an elementary school.

In an ocarina class in Cheongju, the teacher thought it was necessary to explain the Italian musical terms to me, such as dal capo al fine.

In a sign language class here in Suweon, we were learning computer terms. The teacher thought it was necessary to write down the words �̸��� and ���������� for me.
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steroidmaximus



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some Koreans seem to think foreigners are not only ignorant of matters Korean, but ignorant period!



Yeah, I've gotten that before too, but the reverse also holds true: some think you should know everything, since you're from a country with a better education system. But the former is definitely more prevalent.

Seems that I get the usual litany of silly questions less often these days. . . probably because I see all the same people everyday, or give a little preemptive strike: yes I eat kimchi, yes I use chopsticks, yes I eat spicy food, yes I've tried soju etc etc et al.
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excitinghead



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really do think there is a standardised, nationwide class in Korean high schools for interacting with foreigners like Hater Depot said, reading over the last few pages in this thread its amazing how standardised the phrases and questions are no matter where we all live in Korea.

My own personal pet hate is the question "How about Korea?", which I realise doesn't sound so strange in Korean, but do the questioners have to look so disappointed and confused when I don't say "Oooh, Kimchee spicy! And everyone Bbali-Bbali!"...seriously, when I don't say that they look like I just told them their favorite cow had unexpectadly died.

What I really hate though is not so much the set phrases as the attitude that all foreigners are complete idiots and need to be treated like we're children or even mentally-retarded. Granted, there's a lot of foreigners like that out there, but it seems an automatic attitude...my favorite example of this happened just last weekend. In a bakery, I asked in Korean how much some sandwhiches were. The women who worked there told me they were sandwhiches. Rolling Eyes I've been here 6 years, so I didn't blink an eyelid and calmly told her that I knew what the hell they were and I wanted to know the price, but my Korean wife, who sometimes doesn't realise what life is like for me here, found it hilarous and is still laughing about it.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
I find it amusing that no less than three people were so interested in the young lesbian hang-out that they made posts asking for more info. Haha! Laughing

In my own defence, I came upon it coincidentally here and it seemed like a good pretext to revive this thread.
Lesbians? I can see as many as I like, on the internet...
Laughing
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tomato



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Exciting Head, I really liked that!

I notice that some Koreans are too contemptuous to listen to what we say in either language.
When I was in Kimcheon, I was looking through a bilingual songbook.
In one song, I noticed that the apostrophe was misused for the plural form, resulting in "ear's" and "eye's."
I casually tried to point this out to a Korean teacher, but she kept insisting that �� meant "eye" and �� meant "ear."

My current director thinks I'm a moron, too.
She once told me to be careful not use the word �ڽ�, because the word has connotations of SOB.
I jokingly answered that the word appeared as number 666 on the �������б� word frequency list, and there might be something mystical about that.
I had to repeat my comment about three times before she would stop repeating that I should not use the word �ڽ�.
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tomato



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steroidmaximus wrote:
the reverse also holds true: some think you should know everything, since you're from a country with a better education system.


I'm changing the scenery, but the principle is still the same:

When I was in South America, I was the only gringo in the neighborhood.
(That means �ܱ����.)
My nextdoor neighbor got a letter from a relative, but he didn't know how to read.
So he asked me to read it to him.
It was in Spanish, too.
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tomato



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These seem to be Korean people's favorite assumptions about foreigners:

�� If you catch a taxi, you're going to the bus terminal.

�� If you buy a train ticket or bus ticket, you're going to Seoul.

�� If you ask directions in a public building, you're looking for the restroom.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many Koreans are shocked I know about the "reconstructive hymen surgery" that (apparently) a lot of Korean women get before marriage.
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Len8



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are surprised that we know(1) that a daughter born in the year of the horse is bad luck. Most daughters are aborted if they will be born in the horse year

(2) That most women hate Chusok

(3) That Koreans dream differently from westerners
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: surprise! Reply with quote

mokpochica wrote:
People are always surprised when I know that Kim Il-sung--Kim Jong-il's father--was not the *real* Kim Il-sung. (The real Kim Il-sung was a war hero and popular with Korean people, so they stole his identity and fame after he died.)

And that's just one of many things, but probably the one that I have impressed with the most. Wink


Do you really believe that?

I have heard this from straght-faced Koreans. I assumed it was a cute example of blatent Daehanminguk propaganda.

I believe it's generally accepted (outside of South Korea, the place where historical truths go to die) that Kim Il Sun is indeed the same guy who fought the Japanese very effectively while most other Koreans did precious little to free their country.
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: surprise! Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
mokpochica wrote:
People are always surprised when I know that Kim Il-sung--Kim Jong-il's father--was not the *real* Kim Il-sung. (The real Kim Il-sung was a war hero and popular with Korean people, so they stole his identity and fame after he died.)

And that's just one of many things, but probably the one that I have impressed with the most. Wink


Do you really believe that?

I have heard this from straght-faced Koreans. I assumed it was a cute example of blatent Daehanminguk propaganda.

I believe it's generally accepted (outside of South Korea, the place where historical truths go to die) that Kim Il Sun is indeed the same guy who fought the Japanese very effectively while most other Koreans did precious little to free their country.


Actually, you are mistaken. Any reputable textbook including "Korea Old and New, "Korea: Tradition and Transformation" and "Korea's Place in the Sun" will tell you that he changed his name to that of a famous fighter against Japan, purely on age alone, it's impossible they were the same guy. Kim Il Sung changed his name after he was released from prison. That doesn't mean he didn't fight the Japanese, he did, it means that he took the name of a guy who also fought the Japanese. Actually, here are my notes from class, sorry they are a little choppy, I can only type so fast and the prof. is a pretty fast talker. The prof in this case is Prof. Lew Young Ick, one of the absolutely most famous historians on Korea specializing in Modern Korea....
Born near ���. his name was �輺��, changed it when he was 28. Father ������ had attended a mission high school. Was expelled because he was criticizing America, and was anti-American and expelled from school for it. Went to Manchuria, eked out a living by operating an herbal pharmacy. Moved to an area near ��λ�. His father died in 1926 when he was in middle school in Manchuria. His father died at 32 years old. Mother lived until 1932 (older than father). Came from wealthy and influential family. Her father was a church elder. Mother��s name meant Peter �� Christian family, anyway. Went to two middle schools and two elementary schools- Chinese and Korean-Manchurian. He later went to Jilin to go to middle school. Best private school in Jilin. He was not happy there. Began participating in some illegal societies. We assume they were pro-Communist socities. Arrested, jailed. Released in 1930. So he had about 10 years education. After release he went to Gelun to teach, changed his name. Kim Ilsung was the name of a legendary hero in that area. Who had killed many Japanese. Change name to get away from record of being jailed with old name.

How he became an anti-Japanese—he worked under Chinese command 1932-1940. According to NK hagiography, he organized the first anti-J guerilla unit in Antu. This is an area verging on Yanbian today. There must have been 300,000 Koreans in the region at that time. this area was called ���� in Korean. He participated in small scale guerilla activities. Started with 18 people. Later it increased. By 1933, the Chinese Communist guerilla force made a ��NE People��s Revolutionary Army��. Commanded by Yang Jinyu. It was established to fight, drive out Japanese of Manchukuo (est. in Sept. 1931). Expanded army into NE Anti-Japanese United Army. Total number of the army was 15,000. Chinese and Korean guerillas. and Kim Il Sung headed one minor unit of this army. He was commander of the 6th Division of the 2nd Army of the First Route army. Communist mvm��t was being controlled by COMINTERN headquartered in Moscow. He was actually leading at most 200 soldiers, usually 80 or 100. So he was like Robin Hood. Got his orders from Yang Jinyu. Also under control of a Chinese Communist political commissar. Wei Zhengmin. They were not well indoctrinated in Marxist thinking. Chinese political commission Wei Zhengmin. friend, advisor, politlcal supervisor. He was a well trained communist, trained inMoscow. Wei was chairman of Poitlical committee of NEAJUA. Political commissar. He became famous after a raid on ��õ��, highly known and publicized. About 600 forces into Bocheongbo, near Haesanjin. Attached a Japanese police box. He killed 1,500 Japanese soldiers, policemen. Exaggeration. Actually wat happened- about 80 men. He killed 7 Japanese policemen. Quickly retreated. He was famous after this. In news. Then he was promoted to command the second directional army. Controlling about 200 guerillas. Had to fight Japanese called the Kwantung Army. mopping up campaign against comuunists. Especially after July 1939, Japan started full scale war against China. Sept. 1931, grab Machuria. Korean, Chinese geurillas had a hard time suriving after 1938. Y^ang Jinyu was killed in action in 1940�� Superiors died from 1938-40. So Kim Il Sung was compelled to escape. They went to Vladivostock. went to Khabarovsk Infrantry officers school, married, went to camp A in a little city near Khabarovsk. from camp 5 to camp A. Kim Jong Il was born in Camp 5 says prof. Kim Il Sung spent 3 years in these two camps. Khabarovsk is right on born at lump of China, Russia. Got title, commander of 1st battalion (among 4), with rank of captain. IT was their job to train leaders for a future Korean People��s rmy. ��Commander of the First Battalion of the 88th Special Brigade of the Soviet Red Army��. Very important, the 88th�� the 88th was Chinese, Koreans and Mongolians. Soviet Russian Army iin control of eastern Siberia est. this int��l unit�� 88th. composed of only Chinese, Korean, Mongolians, mostly the former two. Head was the commander Zhou Baozhong. Function of special brigade was to prepare for a war against Japan in the future. In case they fight japan, need help, so they trained the special brigade on infiltration, sabotage, destroy railroads, factories, etc. Decoding messages. Zhou liked Kim Il Sung, took care of him. Had like 60 choices. But Kim Il Sung spoke perfect Chinese��
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually, you are mistaken. Any reputable textbook including "Korea Old and New, "Korea: Tradition and Transformation" and "Korea's Place in the Sun" will tell you that he changed his name to that of a famous fighter against Japan, purely on age alone, it's impossible they were the same guy. Kim Il Sung changed his name after he was released from prison. That doesn't mean he didn't fight the Japanese, he did, it means that he took the name of a guy who also fought the Japanese. Actually, here are my notes from class, sorry they are a little choppy, I can only type so fast and the prof. is a pretty fast talker. The prof in this case is Prof. Lew Young Ick, one of the absolutely most famous historians on Korea specializing in Modern Korea....


I knew he changed his name but I didn't really believe that he was trying to impersonate the Korean resistance leader. Too many people would know it wasn't really him. He would look foolish trying to carry that one off. And anyway, he had an illustrious reputation in his original name as a resistance leader.

Why did he change it? I think that's what I would like to know.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: other things Reply with quote

yodanole wrote:

4) that all women in the sex industry are not single

5)I explain about westerners historical fondness for cat

12) that all Koreans aren't honest



HOLD on a moment...all prostitutes are married? Americans eat cats? All Koreans are dishonest?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
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Actually, you are mistaken. Any reputable textbook including "Korea Old and New, "Korea: Tradition and Transformation" and "Korea's Place in the Sun" will tell you that he changed his name to that of a famous fighter against Japan, purely on age alone, it's impossible they were the same guy. Kim Il Sung changed his name after he was released from prison. That doesn't mean he didn't fight the Japanese, he did, it means that he took the name of a guy who also fought the Japanese. Actually, here are my notes from class, sorry they are a little choppy, I can only type so fast and the prof. is a pretty fast talker. The prof in this case is Prof. Lew Young Ick, one of the absolutely most famous historians on Korea specializing in Modern Korea....


I knew he changed his name but I didn't really believe that he was trying to impersonate the Korean resistance leader. Too many people would know it wasn't really him. He would look foolish trying to carry that one off. And anyway, he had an illustrious reputation in his original name as a resistance leader.

Why did he change it? I think that's what I would like to know.


I don't think he was trying to impersonate him, and I don't think that any reputable scholar has said that. There are clear records of him up until he was incarcerated using his birth name. He wanted to make a clean start, and set a good impression, this is what many people did after being released from jail in those days. Coincidentally a man he happened to admire was a fighter against Japan and he took that guys name, but generally scholars say he was trying to make an -image- not that he was trying to fool people into thinking they were the same man.
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