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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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Dont listen to the nutjobs here!
Dont do it.
Tidy up your room, put chairs on desks, pick up any paper or major stuff(which your students should be doing before they leave...perhaps the last 5 minutes of the day)
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you be vacumming or mopping! You do have a degree, you earned it to avoid doing jobs like that! If some dumbass wants to clean and mop floors let them...dont do it yourself. |
What is his job? To sit on his ass? preparing lessons? At a kindie hagwon? Are you serious? He contributes to the room being dirty. He should help out. Period, end of story. Is the one Korean teacher supposed to clean it all while he sits on his ass? |
What do you disagree with? Is something wrong with a last 5 minute cleaning? Let us know what YOU do! Are we suppose to look for hairs that fall off our body each day and vacuum them with our mouths? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| buymybook wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Grotto wrote: |
Dont listen to the nutjobs here!
Dont do it.
Tidy up your room, put chairs on desks, pick up any paper or major stuff(which your students should be doing before they leave...perhaps the last 5 minutes of the day)
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you be vacumming or mopping! You do have a degree, you earned it to avoid doing jobs like that! If some dumbass wants to clean and mop floors let them...dont do it yourself. |
What is his job? To sit on his ass? preparing lessons? At a kindie hagwon? Are you serious? He contributes to the room being dirty. He should help out. Period, end of story. Is the one Korean teacher supposed to clean it all while he sits on his ass? |
What do you disagree with? Is something wrong with a last 5 minute cleaning? Let us know what YOU do! Are we suppose to look for hairs that fall off our body each day and vacuum them with our mouths? |
I doubt he vacuums with his mouth. He isnt cleaning up hairs that fall from his body but he crap that falls on the floor during the lessons and lunchtime/snacks.
What would YOU have him do? Watch the Korean teacher do it all? |
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justagirl
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I always had the students pick up their trash at the end of their class. I wasn't going to pick up their candy wrappers they threw on the floor! No one got to leave until the room was put back in order.
As far as sweeping and mopping? No. I was never asked to do anything like this at any school I worked at, and I would have had "an appointment" right after classes if it'd been necessary.
I don't mind lending a hand to help out--in fact, I initiated a school-wide clean up, repainting the walls, mopping and waxing the floors, redecorating, etc and put in hours of work to get the hakwon in good shape, but having a boss expect me to mop, scrub and clean like a janitor on a daily basis is not in the job description. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Take the last 10 minutes of your day with your students and have them clean as much as they can.
If it wasn't in my contract, I personally wouldn't clean room cause I have better things to do..like post here  
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What would YOU have him do? Watch the Korean teacher do it all? |
Why don't you start some rumblings amongst the korena workers: if you protested on your own, you'd be seen as a princess...get the crew behind you and then if everyone stopped WJN would have to hire someone. It'd probably take more effort than it's worth (unless you have a really good diplomat amongst you...
I can understand hte people who say "QYB" and "tough it up" etc.... But put some things in perspective her:
1) You aren't getting PAID to clean....when I say clean i mean CLEAN!
Arrange chairs, picking up garbage, loose paper, cleaning the board. TIDYING...THESE are things teachers have to do.
But clean? No way you should have to do that.
Unless it's in your contract, then sorry bub....kit yer belly aykin.
2) Your boss is doing that so HE/SHE doesn't have to employ another Korean. Just another method for siphoning, and pinching every last won. I have no problem with having a keen business but don't take advantage of people.
But as I said, if it's in your contract, well, tought tatas..unless you're gonna walk. |
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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. Yes, I am a male if that means anything. Two, no I don't contribute to the mess. I have my own classroom in the back of the bigger classroom, and I clean that as well. I only teach English in my small classroom in the back. The larger classroom is where the Korean teachers do their lessons, where everyone eats, and where the big carpet is, etc. Yes I am in the larger room when I'm not teaching English, but I'm just sitting there with the kids, being around them and stuff like that.
And yes I do feel sympathy for the Koreans if they're going to clean and I'm not...but I can't feel sorry for them all the time. They also make less money than me, stay way longer, and have worse contracts, but am I supposed to feel sorry for them all the time? |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Contributed to the mess. What a joke. So, you take a dump in the toilet. Do you clean that, too?
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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I think it's pretty standard for EFL teachers to help out with cleaning classrooms in hogwans. In my experience, the regular daily routine involved wiping the desks/tables, putting chairs up, and sweeping. Vacuuming was only done occasionally, and mopping the floors with water was like once-a-week.
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This hasn't been required in any job I've ever had here, aside from cleaning up after the occasional snack party and keeping my own desk organized, and I don't think I know anyone who cleans their hogwon.
OP, I'd say you're getting shafted but you would be wise to try to get the Korean teachers on your side. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| What is his job? To sit on his ass? preparing lessons? At a kindie hagwon? Are you serious? He contributes to the room being dirty. He should help out. Period, end of story. Is the one Korean teacher supposed to clean it all while he sits on his ass? |
What is his job? He was hired to teach English! Nothing more...nothing less!
At a kindie hogwan he is to teach English, play games and interact with the students.
So freakin what if he contributes to the room being dirty....he's not a janitor and shouldnt be treated like one!
If the Korean teachers dont have the balls to stand up for themselves screw em! If they are stupid enough to do it...let them!
IF you want to go mop and vacumn where you work...go ahead...but dont expect other people to follow your insanity!  |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| buymybook wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Grotto wrote: |
Dont listen to the nutjobs here!
Dont do it.
Tidy up your room, put chairs on desks, pick up any paper or major stuff(which your students should be doing before they leave...perhaps the last 5 minutes of the day)
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you be vacumming or mopping! You do have a degree, you earned it to avoid doing jobs like that! If some dumbass wants to clean and mop floors let them...dont do it yourself. |
What is his job? To sit on his ass? preparing lessons? At a kindie hagwon? Are you serious? He contributes to the room being dirty. He should help out. Period, end of story. Is the one Korean teacher supposed to clean it all while he sits on his ass? |
What do you disagree with? Is something wrong with a last 5 minute cleaning? Let us know what YOU do! Are we suppose to look for hairs that fall off our body each day and vacuum them with our mouths? |
I doubt he vacuums with his mouth. He isnt cleaning up hairs that fall from his body but he crap that falls on the floor during the lessons and lunchtime/snacks.
What would YOU have him do? Watch the Korean teacher do it all? |
You ignored the request to say what YOU do. How much cleaning do you do to your room/s every day? Do you have to stack chairs, sweep, mop and scrape paint every day? Before you get down off your high-horse, just answer that simple question you previously dodged. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Ok. Yes, I am a male if that means anything. Two, no I don't contribute to the mess. I have my own classroom in the back of the bigger classroom, and I clean that as well. I only teach English in my small classroom in the back. The larger classroom is where the Korean teachers do their lessons, where everyone eats, and where the big carpet is, etc. Yes I am in the larger room when I'm not teaching English, but I'm just sitting there with the kids, being around them and stuff like that.
And yes I do feel sympathy for the Koreans if they're going to clean and I'm not...but I can't feel sorry for them all the time. They also make less money than me, stay way longer, and have worse contracts, but am I supposed to feel sorry for them all the time? |
Jacl, Grotto, and Son Duero! are the only ones being sensible at all on this issue. You're cleaning a classroom you don't even teach in??? That's the height of absurdity, man. The boss is taking advantage, and there's no doubt about it.
If I were you, I'd simply flat-out refuse to do it, unless my boss were the type that I've had thus far (extremely generous and kind). If your boss is giving you a whole lot, then fine, pay a little in return. But if it's just the kind of boss that delegates and makes the cash, you have no compulsion to clean a room. As has been said, that's exactly the reason you went to college! If you wanted to clean up rooms, you can open up a janitorial service back home and make more money than you do now, no question about that.
If I were you, I'd refuse to clean the room, beyond picking up basic debris. I'd also try to convince my Korean co-workers to join me, though I know it'd be futile. If they want to continue being used and trampled over in order to maintain confucianist comfort, that's their own problem, not yours. I'm a major advocate of not letting one's self be walked all over. You gotta learn to say no.
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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At a hagwon, it should be the boss whose cleaning unless he hires someone specifically to clean. I thought about getting students to sweep and wipe the desks, but really it's not their responsiblity either. Maybe if they leave garbage hanging around on the desks or throw wrappers on the floor and I catch them, punishment could be cleaning, but...
I even stopped doing reports and giving tests. Mopping up the classroom is definitely not even near on my list of things for me to do. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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hmm.
before each class ends, my students pick up their trash, wipe off the boards, resharpen the pencils they used and broke, and leave the room as neat and clean as they found it. Its kind of a life lesson. It takes ten kids two minutes to put their classroom to rights and ive only had one injury (three kids diving for the same scrap of paper and one bonked his head). |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I just returned to the staff room and had to wait ten seconds for a girl to finish wiping clean my desk. Working in the public education sector presents such hardships. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| buymybook wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Grotto wrote: |
Dont listen to the nutjobs here!
Dont do it.
Tidy up your room, put chairs on desks, pick up any paper or major stuff(which your students should be doing before they leave...perhaps the last 5 minutes of the day)
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you be vacumming or mopping! You do have a degree, you earned it to avoid doing jobs like that! If some dumbass wants to clean and mop floors let them...dont do it yourself. |
What is his job? To sit on his ass? preparing lessons? At a kindie hagwon? Are you serious? He contributes to the room being dirty. He should help out. Period, end of story. Is the one Korean teacher supposed to clean it all while he sits on his ass? |
What do you disagree with? Is something wrong with a last 5 minute cleaning? Let us know what YOU do! Are we suppose to look for hairs that fall off our body each day and vacuum them with our mouths? |
I doubt he vacuums with his mouth. He isnt cleaning up hairs that fall from his body but he crap that falls on the floor during the lessons and lunchtime/snacks.
What would YOU have him do? Watch the Korean teacher do it all? |
You ignored the request to say what YOU do. How much cleaning do you do to your room/s every day? Do you have to stack chairs, sweep, mop and scrape paint every day? Before you get down off your high-horse, just answer that simple question you previously dodged. |
Thats why I got out of the hagwon game. So I dont have to do this crap. At my school the kids clean everything, even my office. When I worked at a hagwon I was happy to help out as I didnt want to be the kind of lazy guy people hate.
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I just returned to the staff room and had to wait ten seconds for a girl to finish wiping clean my desk. Working in the public education sector presents such hardships. |
Yes, I have a team of three girls who come and do my room. Poor buggers. |
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