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StAxX SOuL
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: London
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 Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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It is stealing. If you don't want to buy a whole CD, why not preview it on iTunes and download the tracks that you do think are worth your $0.99? Thing is, you don't just pay for tangibles in creative industries, you're paying for the process which has gone into creating the product. To acquire it for free is stealing because you are getting something for nothing.
That is the moral truth of the situation. My personal stance, I really don't care. If I can get something for free rather than pay then I will, then I'll pay for the things that I can't get for free.
As for the best sources, the file-sharing programs are primitive and poor. Bittorrents are so-so, but good for some rarer things and the more commercial new things such as a TV show which screened or a new PC game or big name CD release. Newsgroups are somewhere inbetween but good for exact DVDs which rarely make it on to Torrents besides in the lesser quality DivX format.
However the next level up in the food chain are private servers. You pay $15 or $30 per month depending on the download speed and privileges you want, and get complete access to 3TBs of everything you could ever want. Cinema releases in CAM and TS, the latest DVDs and some older, PC Games, 100+ MP3 releases a day, Appz, PS2, PSP, Music Videos, XBOX, TV Shows with archives too. Its updated numerous times throughout each day with the latest things, and the oldest are deleted to make space for these new things.
So, if anyone's interested in becoming a member on one of these servers and would like more details, maybe a folder listing or two if in doubt for what you can get, then feel free to send me a Private Message and I'll help you out. Its just an excellent way to take advantage of the download speeds you can get out here. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| yesnoyesyesno wrote: |
but it's your car and you have a lot of friends which you want to share it with, so you set up a mini GM factory in your back yard to make drivable copies of your new Cheavy Impala to share with your friends (ones you know in real life and ones you meet in the internet)
let's see how long GM sics those copyright lawyers on you for that dudes. copyright laws exist for reasons whether they are in the entertainment industry or in any industry. |
You can't copyright a car, thus it would be quite lawful to set up a GM knock-off factory so long as you are not doing it for commercial gain. Make a million and give them away to a million of your closest friends.
Marketing the said copies would amount to tradedress infringement, and using the same name in the marketing would be a trademark infringement.
THe only copyright issue would be that of the onboard computer software. I suspect open-source solutions exist which would solve this issue. Patent issues may also come into play, but I don't recall if they restrict non-commercial distribution.
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| StAxX SOuL wrote: |
| It is stealing. |
It's no more stealing than speeding is rape and driving with a broken headlight is murder. |
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StAxX SOuL
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Care to explain how it isn't stealing? You know, based on the dictionary definition of the word and the fact that intellectual property is still property simply in an intangible form.
The rest of what you stated above was riddled with flaws too. You can copyright a car. You don't copyright the car per se, rather you copyright the design, patent any devices that are developed for it which satisfy the relatively antiquated patent laws, and you'll have the brand and graphical representation of it trademarked.
Thus, setting up an unofficial production line and producing GM cars would lead to a number of infringements, and that's before one even gets into the realms of passing off. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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The digital format is the way of the future (the way of the future...the way of the future), and record companies have yet to come up with a massive distribution method that consumers can agree with and support.
Personally, I think www.allofmp3.com has it together. You can legally download an entire album for under $2 in some cases, or just the tracks you want for about $0.10 each.
iTunes $0.99 a song is ridiculous. It costs next to nothing to distribute music electronically. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| StAxX SOuL wrote: |
| Wow. Care to explain how it isn't stealing? You know, based on the dictionary definition of the word and the fact that intellectual property is still property simply in an intangible form. |
Zuh?
Steal��ing
n.
1. The act of taking feloniously the personal property of another without his consent and knowledge; theft; larceny.
2. That which is stolen; stolen property; -- chiefly used in the plural.
I am curious now how I have somehow "stolen" your post by quoting it according to the above definition of stealing.
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| The rest of what you stated above was riddled with flaws too. |
If you say so.
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| You can copyright a car. |
No, you can't.
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| You don't copyright the car per se, |
But you just said you can copyright a car.
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| rather you copyright the design, |
No you can't. You can apply tradedress protections, and you can copyright original artwork on the exterior, but you can't copyright an object no more than you can patent a picture or trademark a story.
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| patent any devices that are developed for it which satisfy the relatively antiquated patent laws, and you'll have the brand and graphical representation of it trademarked. |
And nothing that supports your claim that my pumping out knock-offs for personal use is copyright infringement. And trademark infringement requires commercial intentions rather than the simple act of duplication.
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| Thus, setting up an unofficial production line and producing GM cars would lead to a number of infringements, and that's before one even gets into the realms of passing off. |
Only if I started selling the cars. It's no more illegal than making a cake that looks like Garfield that I then share with my friends. |
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