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Anyone develop relational databases in their previous life?
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Anyone develop relational databases in their previous life? Reply with quote

Is there anyone here who has experience with developing relational databases? I��m dealing with a lot of data in my new job and am developing my own ��system��, but I��d like to create something that will still be useful after I leave this job.

Our lead time for a sale can be as long as a decade, and whenever someone in my position quits, all their infant leads are lost. I need to develop something lasting.

I had to make some basic Microsoft ACCESS databases in biz school, for an assignment, but have pretty much forgotten all of that. Still, I do feel comfortable with ACCESS, and it's already on my computer.

So, yeah, if there��s anyone out there who used ACCESS a lot in their previous life, I need help. Advice as far as basic design would be good, actual help would be even better. I plan to go buy ACCESS for dummies this weekend, and get cracking, but if you can help, I��ll do my best to make it worth your while.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who doesn't have a farking clue what the OP is about?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry...I haven't been reincarnated yet. Cool
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a farking clue what the OP is about?


Unfortunately, I do. I specialized as much as possible in this area during my Computer Science degree (this relates a lot more to businesses, and surprisingly enough, it actually sort of interesting). I mostly studied relational databases but am familiar with OO databases too (and wouldn't take to long to figure out with all the java programming I had to do in uni).

To the OP, I can probably help, but I am extremely busy, so don't expect too much Smile I used Oracle, SQL and others more than Access, but I know all the theory behind it and have used it before. I also worked in this field at various jobs (large scale enterprise databases, including the Canadian Annuity database).

What are you looking for? Do you have a database diagram (I forget what they are called now) showing all the tables, their parameters and relationships (1 to 1, 1 to many, etc.) or are you trying to make that from scratch? Are you thinking of creating a new database from an old one, and if so, what about data transfer? Definitely need more info Smile, but I am sure I can help.
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xeno439



Joined: 30 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MySQL and PHP are a match made in heaven if you want to carry your data online.
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cheem



Joined: 18 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to offer you any concrete advice without more information about the business relationships you're trying to model. I will say however that you might consider picking up a book on SQL and relational theory rather than on Access. IMO a solid grounding in relational concepts, such as normalization and table relation types, as well as query syntax will get you farther than knowing your way around Access.
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reminds me of my information systems classes, dealing with access, sql and oracle. i would suggest w3 schools, http://www.w3schools.com/ for some tutorials if you will be running sql commands online. other than that, i would just get an access book to refresh your memory. I forget a lot of the stuff i learned, and that was just 2 years ago.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a farking clue what the OP is about?


No.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First step is to plan out the info that you need. Then make the tables. You'll need an ID and you can link the tables in the relational table screen. After, you can make the user interface. The SQL is pretty straight forward. You're also going to need some basic VBA code when making the interface. How to use that code can be found quite easily.

Remember that you have the tables and the forms. The forms part is the user interface.

Just play around with it.
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Fredbob



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can help you with this, I've built multiple databases of this type before, most recently in Access last year as a sales/operations system for a small/midsize company. Actually considered doing it for my hagwon but they weren't willing to pay me for it. The most recent version of Access is extremely user friendly though for basic data management, not sure how much help you would actually need. If you have any problems Microsoft.net knowledge base is an excellent resource. Just be aware, doing this is type of thing for a company can provide a lot of efficiency benifits so doing it for free might not be very smart.
OP me if you'd like to talk.

We might be able to work something out but it would need to be a weekend only type of thing for me.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I've developed countless relational databases. But as this was in my previous life as "Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias", my memory of the finer points of relational database development is a bit murky today. Sorry.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, I throw away their phone numbers after we break up.

Living, loving. She's just a woman.

That's what I say.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about the Primary Key.
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fredbob wrote:
Just be aware, doing this is type of thing for a company can provide a lot of efficiency benifits so doing it for free might not be very smart.
OP me if you'd like to talk.


Wow. All these responses! Shocked Essentially, in this job, they're not telling me what to do - I just need to improve the bottom line. Other than writing a speech for the CEO about two weeks ago, nothing has been assigned to me.

I'm buying a book today, will start playing around with samples this week, and before I start getting the temps to do any data entry, I need to mess around with it and see how robust it all is.

But great stuff people! I probably won't need anyone to sit in front of a computer for me, but after I get a model started, I'd love to open the laptop up and have it critiqued.

As far as pay, since I can't offer much, it appears it'll have to be a DIY thing for me - but it may be worth it, because starting next year, my salary will be pegged to performance.... and accordingly should skyrocket, dammit!

But cool to know that there are people "in the know" out there. It gives me more confidence in moving forwards to know that there are some people who can save me if I get stuck.
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm ready to roll.

I'd love to treat someone to lunch who knows these better before I turn on the tap and start really adding serious data - (I can d/l csv files from databases that we subscribe to).

If any of you: Fredbob, jacl, laogaiguk, can make it near my office for lunch, I've been told that I can expense it - I work at Samsung station: Between COEX, and Chungdam Station, there are plenty of nice restaurants around.

Oh yes, that, and eternal gratitude. ^^

Sometime in this coming week is best - if you're only free on the weekend, I can probably swing that too, but the hubby is sick of my 50 hours a week of work, and wants me home all weekend whenever possible.
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