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I_Am_Wrong
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| It would also be interesting to see how the students of the very scruffy young man at the middle school view him. |
The students!! The students think he's 'cool', my students always tell me about him (they went to that middle school before my High school), I've never once heard then refer to his appearance in a negative way.
And I'm not urban. |
Yeah but do they think of him as a teacher or a 'cool guy'? I remember at my school district's singing and dance competition a 'cool guy' from the vocational HS on the other side of town came along with his students. A few of my students were pointing and asking 'who is he'? 'Oh he's the teacher from _______ gyo-dim hakyo I said'. 'He doesn't look like a teacher' one replied. 'No, he doesn't', I had to reply. |
You have a very misconstrued idea of what a teacher is. "he doesn't look like a teacher" "no he doesn't." Seriously? You know it's ok to veer a little bit away from the norm and still retain professionalism. You must be so anal retentive. Do you seriously think that your uber-conservative values apply to society as a whole? Get over yourself. |
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teachmeenglish
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| No worries with long hair in Seven years in Korea. It is ony an excuse if you are doing a poor job, but if you are an at leat semi respectable teacher the no probs |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| thursdays child wrote: |
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| It would also be interesting to see how the students of the very scruffy young man at the middle school view him. |
The students!! The students think he's 'cool', my students always tell me about him (they went to that middle school before my High school), I've never once heard then refer to his appearance in a negative way.
And I'm not urban. |
Yeah but do they think of him as a teacher or a 'cool guy'? I remember at my school district's singing and dance competition a 'cool guy' from the vocational HS on the other side of town came along with his students. A few of my students were pointing and asking 'who is he'? 'Oh he's the teacher from _______ gyo-dim hakyo I said'. 'He doesn't look like a teacher' one replied. 'No, he doesn't', I had to reply. |
You have a very misconstrued idea of what a teacher is. "he doesn't look like a teacher" "no he doesn't." Seriously? You know it's ok to veer a little bit away from the norm and still retain professionalism. You must be so anal retentive. Do you seriously think that your uber-conservative values apply to society as a whole? Get over yourself. |
I love it! I can now officially say I've been in Korea too long. Two years ago I had long, orange / purple / red hair, earings, and would regularly go to anti-war rallies. Now I have uber-conservative values.
Seriously, though, I have no idea what this guy's like in the classroom, but when one already has bushy hair that stands up three inches, wearing baggy, hip-hop jeans and a multi-coloured fleece to a school district event where every school administration and school district official is going to take note of you is just plain foolish. I've seen him coming into town right after work, and dressing the way he does when his students are all in blazers and ties with regulation hair cuts is sending at best a very confusing message. |
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thursdays child
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Until a hundred years ago, all Korean males (except monks) had long hair. Hair was a 'gift' from your parents and could not be cut. Then it all changed. Under the military dictatorships of 30 years ago, guys were being stopped on the street and given haircuts if their hair was too long. Until very recently, high school kids had regulation hair lengths, enforced by teachers. This has changed in the last 5 (?) years.
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My partner (korean) has very long hair....
*partly because his mother who has very strong Buddhist beliefs was told by her monk that her son 'should have long hair',
*partly because he looks young and got sick of being stopped by the police for 'deserting the army' so with long hair he doesn't get that hassle.
He also gets a lot of respect for having long hair. He is not 'rock n roll', actually if he wasn't in Korea he'd be a hippy - but his appearance is percieved as being almost noble!! And he has a very public job - he lectures at Universities and Colleges about coputer programming to students with short tidy cuts!
My point is..... that I agree with the post made about a short tidy cut means a company job but also a long cut only means you don't work in a company. |
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Col.Brandon
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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What was it Seinfeld said?
"Pony tail; get real." |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| If he does not reply to this thread directly, you might want to try sending a pm to steroidmaximus. He has had both long and short hair in Korea and could tell you if or how he was treated differently depending on his hair length. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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And I'm not urban. |
Well, there can only be one of us. 
On a related topic, I've never heard any students I've had (in a hakwon or public school) react in a positive manner to a discussion of teachers with long hair. Then again that's just my experience. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| thursdays child wrote: |
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| It would also be interesting to see how the students of the very scruffy young man at the middle school view him. |
The students!! The students think he's 'cool', my students always tell me about him (they went to that middle school before my High school), I've never once heard then refer to his appearance in a negative way.
And I'm not urban. |
Yeah but do they think of him as a teacher or a 'cool guy'? I remember at my school district's singing and dance competition a 'cool guy' from the vocational HS on the other side of town came along with his students. A few of my students were pointing and asking 'who is he'? 'Oh he's the teacher from _______ gyo-dim hakyo I said'. 'He doesn't look like a teacher' one replied. 'No, he doesn't', I had to reply. |
You have a very misconstrued idea of what a teacher is. "he doesn't look like a teacher" "no he doesn't." Seriously? You know it's ok to veer a little bit away from the norm and still retain professionalism. You must be so anal retentive. Do you seriously think that your uber-conservative values apply to society as a whole? Get over yourself. |
I love it! I can now officially say I've been in Korea too long. Two years ago I had long, orange / purple / red hair, earings, and would regularly go to anti-war rallies. Now I have uber-conservative values.
Seriously, though, I have no idea what this guy's like in the classroom, but when one already has bushy hair that stands up three inches, wearing baggy, hip-hop jeans and a multi-coloured fleece to a school district event where every school administration and school district official is going to take note of you is just plain foolish. I've seen him coming into town right after work, and dressing the way he does when his students are all in blazers and ties with regulation hair cuts is sending at best a very confusing message. |
Sorry, I was a little over the top there. Anyways, there is room to maneouver as far as dress is concerned. I've worn suits to my middle school and I've gone with nice jeans and a sweater or shirt. My students still bow to me and greet me politeley. As far as long hair goes, it probably shouldn't be super grungy if you're a male teacher. Tie it back and you're fine. You don't have to always dress formally but you should be clean and presentable. Nice jeans and a button up shirt or sweater can be fine. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| I thought the pony-tail look went out of fashion around 1976, just when I was entering Teacher's College and a Master's program. These days, I don't have adequate hair-support from the behind, if you know what I mean. But what goes around comes around, and if you have the locks to lo justify the look, be certain to back up that look with a respectable amount of grooming. The 'Willie Nelson' or the 'Doctor Johnny Fever' appearance won't gain you much traction in this land. So be sure to put some creases in those jeans. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| always amazes me when the only people that care about men having long hair...are the men with the long hair. get over it. act like it's no big deal. most people don't think it is. simply try to avoid tossing your hair like a schoolgirl and everything should be ok. |
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