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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Sports score grammar Reply with quote

I'm trying to think of a good way to explain this:

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"In the fourth quarter, Kia was leading Dongyang 82 to 80"

"The game was tied at 82 to 82."

The question is that the latter sentence has a preposition before the points but the former has no preposition before the points.


What I'm thinking of saying is that in the second case, we say "at" because it's as if both teams are at the same location in a race, but in the first case they're not so it wouldn't make sense to say "at". But I don't know if this a) intelligible or b) correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'at' is optional in the second example.

But that's all I know.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, it seems more natural to say "The game was tied at 82", or "The game was tied, 82 to 82". I guess the reason is that because with each side having the same score, there is no imbalance, so it suggests a restful, static "at".

In the first example, I would "by" if I wanted to use a preposition, but it's much more natural to say "Kia was leading by 2 points", "Dongyang was trailing by 2 points" or "Kia was leading Dongyang, 82 to 80" than to say "Kia was leading by 82 to 80". I do think I've heard people say the last one, though. Since there's an imbalance in the score, the more dynamic "by" is used. Or something like that.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Sports score grammar Reply with quote

Hmmm....

Saying "tied at 82 to 82" is redundant. Just say "tied at 82". Also, you could say that "score was at 82 to 80".

Oh, and isn't it "Kia were"? At least the UK style is to consider teams plural.

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/20042006/3/liverpool-insist-gerrard-sale.html)
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Liverpool insist Gerrard not for sale


http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/20042006/3/villarreal-offer-pires-year-deal.html
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"Villarreal have expressed their interest to me but my current priority is qualifying my team for the (Champions League) final in Paris," Pires told El Mundo.
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