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Fukuyama: Why shouldn't I change my mind [on Iraq]?

 
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Fukuyama: Why shouldn't I change my mind [on Iraq]? Reply with quote

Say, wasn't Francis Fukuyama the one and the same who had his 'End of History' thesis loudly ridiculed, right at the very end of the cold war?


Regardless, here's what he has to say on Iraq:

Opinion : Op-Ed
Why shouldn't I change my mind?

A famed neoconservative switches sides on the Iraq war -- and all hell breaks loose.

Francis Fukuyama is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and the author of "America at the Crossroads: Democracy, Power and the Neoconservative Legacy."
April 9, 2006

SEVEN WEEKS AGO, I published my case against the Iraq war. I wrote that although I had originally advocated military intervention in Iraq, and had even signed a letter to that effect shortly after the 9/11 attacks, I had since changed my mind.

But apparently this kind of honest acknowledgment is verboten. In the weeks since my book came out, I've been challenged, attacked and vilified from both ends of the ideological spectrum. From the right, columnist Charles Krauthammer has accused me of being an opportunistic traitor to the neoconservative cause — and a coward to boot. From the left, I've been told that I have "blood on my hands" for having initially favored toppling Saddam Hussein and that my "apology" won't be accepted.

In our ever-more-polarized political debate, it appears that it is now wrong to ever change your mind, even if empirical evidence from the real world suggests you ought to. I find this a strange and disturbing conclusion.

For the record, I did change my mind, but in the year preceding the war — not after the invasion. In 2002, I told the London Times that "the use of military power to push [Iraqi democracy] forward is a big roll of the dice. We may not win on this one." On the first anniversary of 9/11, I argued in the Washington Post that we should invade Iraq only with approval from the U.N. Security Council, and in December of that year, I wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal warning that the project of democratizing Iraq and the Mideast might come to look like empire and that it violated the conservative principle of prudence.

But when my political shift occurred is not important: Even if it had come a year or two later, it would still not have represented a cowardly retreat or an apologia, but a realistic, intellectually honest willingness to face the new facts of the situation.

In my view, no one should be required to apologize for having supported intervention in Iraq before the war. There were important competing moral goods on both sides of the argument, something that many on the left still refuse to recognize. The U.N. in 1999 declared that all nations have a positive "duty to protect, promote and implement" human rights, arguing in effect that the world's powerful countries are complicit in human rights abuses if they don't use their power to correct injustices. The debate over the war shouldn't have been whether it was morally right to topple Hussein (which it clearly was), but whether it was prudent to do so given the possible costs and potential consequences of intervention and whether it was legitimate for the U.S. to invade in the unilateral way that it did.

It was perfectly honorable to agonize over the wisdom of the war, and in many ways admirable that people on the left, such as Christopher Hitchens, George Packer, Michael Ignatieff and Jacob Weisberg, supported intervention. That position was much easier to defend in early 2003, however, before we found absolutely no stocks of chemical or biological weapons and no evidence of an ongoing nuclear weapons program. (I know that many on the left believe that the prewar estimates about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were all a deliberate fraud by the Bush administration, but if so, it was one in which the U.N. weapons inspectors and French intelligence were also complicit.) It was also easier to support the war before we knew the full dimensions of the vicious insurgency that would emerge and the ease with which the insurgents could disrupt the building of a democratic state.

But in the years since then, it is the right that has failed to come to terms with these uncomfortable facts. The failure to find WMD and to make a quick transition to a stable democracy — as well as the prisoner abuse and the inevitable bad press that emerges from any prolonged occupation — have done enormous damage to America's credibility and standing in the world. These intangible costs have to be added to the balance sheet together with the huge direct human and monetary costs of the war.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recently admitted that the United States made numerous tactical errors in Iraq, but she insisted that the basic strategic decision to go to war was still as valid as ever because we foreclosed once and for all the possibility that Iraq would break out of sanctions and restart its WMD programs.

But we now know a lot that throws that fundamental strategic rationale into question.

The Iraq Survey Group and the U.S. military have released hundreds of pages of documents on Iraq's prewar WMD programs showing that, at times, Hussein believed he possessed biological weapons that didn't exist and that, at other times, he led his most senior commanders to believe he had WMD capabilities that he knew were entirely fictitious. His government was so corrupt, incompetent and compartmentalized that it is far from certain that he would have succeeded in building a a nuclear program even if sanctions had been lifted. Nor is it clear that a breakdown of the sanctions regime was inevitable, given an energized United States and the very different political climate that existed after 9/11.

The logic of my prewar shift on invading Iraq has now been doubly confirmed. I believe that the neoconservative movement, with which I was associated, has become indelibly associated with a failed policy, and that unilateralism and coercive regime change cannot be the basis for an effective American foreign policy. I changed my mind as part of a necessary adjustment to reality.

What has infuriated many people is President Bush's unwillingness to admit that he made any mistakes whatsoever in the whole Iraq adventure. On the other hand, critics who assert that they knew with certainty before the war that it would be a disaster are, for the most part, speaking with a retrospective wisdom to which they are not entitled.

Many people have noted the ever-increasing polarization of American politics, reflected in news channels and talk shows that cater to narrowly ideological audiences, and in a House of Representatives that has redistricted itself into homogeneous constituencies in which few members have to appeal to voters with diverse opinions. This polarization has been vastly amplified by Iraq: Much of the left now considers the war not a tragic policy mistake but a deliberate criminal conspiracy, and the right attacks the patriotism of those who question the war.

This kind of polarization affects a range of other complex issues as well: You can't be a good Republican if you think there may be something to global warming, or a good Democrat if you support school choice or private Social Security accounts. Political debate has become a spectator sport in which people root for their team and cheer when it scores points, without asking whether they chose the right side. Instead of trying to defend sharply polarized positions taken more than three years ago, it would be far better if people could actually take aboard new information and think about how their earlier commitments, honestly undertaken, actually jibe with reality — even if this does on occasion require changing your mind.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! An intellectually honest person!!

A great article.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wholeheartedly agree.
There are some lessons and points to ponder for us all in this article.

"In our ever-more-polarized political debate, it appears that it is now wrong to ever change your mind, even if empirical evidence from the real world suggests you ought to. I find this a strange and disturbing conclusion."

"What has infuriated many people is President Bush's unwillingness to admit that he made any mistakes whatsoever in the whole Iraq adventure. On the other hand, critics who assert that they knew with certainty before the war that it would be a disaster are, for the most part, speaking with a retrospective wisdom to which they are not entitled."

"This kind of polarization affects a range of other complex issues as well: You can't be a good Republican if you think there may be something to global warming, or a good Democrat if you support school choice or private Social Security accounts. Political debate has become a spectator sport in which people root for their team and cheer when it scores points, without asking whether they chose the right side. Instead of trying to defend sharply polarized positions taken more than three years ago, it would be far better if people could actually take aboard new information and think about how their earlier commitments, honestly undertaken, actually jibe with reality — even if this does on occasion require changing your mind."




George Packer makes that last point abundantly clear in Assassin's Gate- when something good or bad happens in Iraq, nobody back home thinks much of how it affects Iraqis, rather they think of how this validates their own side and discredits the other.

I realize that, as a non-American, I'll once again take flak for saying it- but it appears that America- as an effective nation and a superpower- is broken, and it's not the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault but a systemic and procedural breakdown which both parties have contributed to and fueled by foreign interests (I'm thinking of countries like Saudi Arabia [ref: Baer's "Sleeping with the Devil"] and Israel here)
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i have to say my respect for the man has shot upward.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree. Though, its always been a right (in my country) to make an opinion based on information avaliable. Though doesn't mean its always right Wink Though I do respect his right to change his mind and his analysis both current and previous. Good on him, keep up the good work Exclamation
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fukuyama is one of the best commentators out there.

Bulsajo wrote:
it appears that America- as an effective nation and a superpower- is broken, and it's not the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault but a systemic and procedural breakdown which both parties have contributed to and fueled by foreign interests


As an effective superpower it hasn't broken down. It can still eliminate conventional forces in a conventional assault. Whether or not it can occupy a country well has yet to be seen, because Rumsfeld and the gang made so many mistakes that it would be difficult to point to Iraq as anything but extraordinary.

As for the democratic system, it has broken down. Gerrymandering combined with voter apathy (which hasn't noticed that only in about 5% of election races do Congressional incumbents lose their office; much Congressional change comes through Reps or Senators retiring) has de-railed the system, and while Democrats should rightfully rape the Republicans should the elections be held today, it is unlikely that the shift in seats would reflect the sentiment. Don't take that as a profession of Democratic innocence, however, as they are just as guilty of gerrymandering as the Republicans.

This is an entirely different question from the leadership deficit America faces, in my opinion. Just because the system is more motivated by money than votes does not mean that America should necessarily be denied powerful leadership. But it just so happens that right now the Executive Branch is suffering from very poor leadership, and many members of Congress are more focused on the money and campaigning than making policy.

Strong leadership is kind of a spontaneous thing. It can happen in even the most defunct governmental systems (and America is not the most defunct yet), and it can be absent in even the strongest systems. What America needs is a strong executive voice to pull back the curtains and expose what is going on in Congress, because the media nor the public is getting outraged, although there are signs of frustration and dissatisfaction.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

As an effective superpower it hasn't broken down.

I thought the definition of Superpower encompassed not simply military power projection but economic and political power projection.
If you have military force but not the political will to project it it doesn't do much good. I say that as a Superpower the US is broken because its use of its military force in Iraq has left it politically and economically weakened to the point that its enemies as well as its allies probably question its ability to further use its military force.

Granted the US isn't exactly defenseless, but it still is a far cry from the post-Cold War lone Superpower of the early 90s.

This is just an off the top of my head idea that I haven't really thought all the way through, feel free to rebut, critique or build on it, or whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
well i have to say my respect for the man has shot upward.


Yes, I thought the same thing when I read the article. Intellectual humility is so hard to come by.

I think the slim 32% of Americans who do still support Bush are A) people who never even watch FOX, let alone read a newspaper, or B) too ideologically stubborn to admit a mistake.

As an "effective superpower", if it hasn't broken down, it sure would be if even a portion of the international support for its debt were to be called in.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

As an "effective superpower", if it hasn't broken down, it sure would be if even a portion of the international support for its debt were to be called in.


I remember in the 80s the big fear was Japan and the US' trade imbalance with it...
What's the current Chinese-American trade balance right now?
I don't know the figures, but I suspect the current Chinese trade imablance makes the old Japanese one look like spare change...
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Daily Show:

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=68958
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beat me to it, Bulsajo.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Fukuyama is one of the best commentators out there.

Bulsajo wrote:
it appears that America- as an effective nation and a superpower- is broken, and it's not the Democrats' fault nor the Republicans' fault but a systemic and procedural breakdown which both parties have contributed to and fueled by foreign interests


As an effective superpower it hasn't broken down. It can still eliminate conventional forces in a conventional assault. (1) Whether or not it can occupy a country well has yet to be seen, because Rumsfeld and the gang made so many mistakes that it would be difficult to point to Iraq as anything but extraordinary.

As for the democratic system, it has broken down. Gerrymandering combined with voter apathy (which hasn't noticed that only in about 5% of election races do Congressional incumbents lose their office; much Congressional change comes through Reps or Senators retiring) has de-railed the system, and while Democrats should rightfully rape the Republicans should the elections be held today, it is unlikely that the shift in seats would reflect the sentiment. Don't take that as a profession of Democratic innocence, however, as they are just as guilty of gerrymandering as the Republicans.

This is an entirely different question from the leadership deficit America faces, in my opinion. Just because the system is more motivated by money than votes does not mean that America should necessarily be denied powerful leadership. But it just so happens that right now the Executive Branch is suffering from very poor leadership, and many members of Congress are more focused on the money and campaigning than making policy.

Strong leadership is kind of a spontaneous thing. It can happen in even the most defunct governmental systems (and America is not the most defunct yet), and it can be absent in even the strongest systems. (2) What America needs is a strong executive voice to pull back the curtains and expose what is going on in Congress, because the media nor the public is getting outraged, although there are signs of frustration and dissatisfaction.



(numbers are mine)

1. Germany, Japan, Philippines.... They've had a few successes. Although the Philippines itself is not a success story the occupation of it didn't go that badly.


2. That will never happen though. Too many special interests in Congress are protected by one party or the other.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To elaborate on other successful occupations, I point you in the direction of the Dominican Republic.

A neo-con's book on US occupations and small invasions:

The Savage Wars of Peace by Max Boot

While I don't agree with the man's arguments, the book is informative and might add some perspective to the neo-con point of view.
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