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[roybetis1]

Concerning wether the mice pushing buttons over thousands of generations can breed mice that know how to push buttons, and the beavers building damns, a lot of this can be explained by the theory of "Ancestral Memory" which I think I read about in a Sociobiology text.
some scientists believe that rudimentary memory can be stored in our DNA or cells. There were experiments where they taught an inchworm to make its way through a maze (don't ask me how you'd teach an inchworm how to go through a maze). They then mash up the worm and feed it to another and the next worm will then know its way through the maze.
This theory explains a lot, such as why dogs will turn around a few times before lying down even indoors-they're trying to flatten the grass-and why beavers can build dams . It also explains why many people have irrational fears of spiders or snakes despite never having come in close contact with one or being harmed by one.
All this may sound pretty far fetched, but what we don't know about the way our bodies and minds work far outweighs what we do.

[Rteacher]

Hell is gonna be an uncomfortable place for godless scientists and their misled followers... (Sometimes I feel like a bull in a china shop... )

Anyway, I don't think that it's for want of quick answers that many people get turned off to science. (Of course, most people lack the requisite intelligence to follow complex scientific arguments...) Too often big claims are publicised based on limited correlative evidence (rather than demonstrated cause and effect...)

Scientists have also tended to be dogmatic, corrupt and condescending - so why should people trust them as authorities? (Better they should trust me - yeah, that's the golden ticket!... )

[Moldy Rutabaga]

[Xerxes]

[Rteacher]

Yeah, Charles wasn't all-bad - He's on my list of "Great Thinkers Who Were Vegetarians..." thread - Here's one of his quotes:

"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man."

Contrast that with this line delivered on a well-known sitcom:

Drew Carey, on dating vegetarians:- "Look, I'm a meat-eater, this isn't gonna work. You're meant to save the world, I'm meant to use up its resources callously. What we're trying here is just impossible."

http://www.vnv.org.au/Quotes.htm#Charles%20Darwin

[Privateer]

[roybetis1]

R Teacher,
I'm kind of confused why you think scientists are "godless". The search for why the world is what it is not an affront to god, it's a search for to undesrtand how s/he made us. By understanding we are brought closer[b] to god, which I believe is what s/he wants.
Besides of which, there many scientists who were atheists at one time but were brought to spirituality by their work. feel free to correct me but I think that Einstein once said that "Not only is there a god. He doesn't throw dice."
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[huck]

Roybetis...I could agree with that. Have you guys ever heard of 'phi' - the ratio that supposedly pops up everywhere in nature.

http://students.bath.ac.uk/ma1caab/nature.html

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm


http://evolutionoftruth.com/adm/overview.htm


It might be a load of hooey, but it's interesting if it's true.

[Rteacher]

I've thought that it was generally understood that most scientists were atheists (for now I'll simply define atheism as denying - or opposing - the existence of a personal God with inconceivable powers...) The first online survey (a little dated, but ...) I came across was naturally from a Christian website:

The National Academy of Science (USA) has recently produced a guidebook for public school teachers, Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science (see detailed rebuttal). This book tries to assure readers that neither the NAS nor evolution are anti-Christian.

But a recent survey published in the leading science journal Nature conclusively showed that the National Academy of Science is anti-God to the core. A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2 % were overtly atheistic, 20.8 % agnostic, and only 7.0 % believed in a personal God. Belief in God and immortality was lowest among biologists. It is likely that those who didn��t respond were unbelievers as well, so the study probably underestimates the level of anti-God belief in the NAS. The unbelief is far higher than the percentage among scientists in general, or in the whole population.
Commenting on the professed religious neutrality of Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science, the surveyors comment:

��NAS President Bruce Alberts said: ��There are very many outstanding members of this academy who are very religious people, people who believe in evolution, many of them biologists.�� Our research suggests otherwise.��

Source
E.J. Larson and L. Witham, ��Leading scientists still reject God��, Nature 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998. The sole criterion for being classified as a ��leading�� or ��greater�� scientist was membership of the NAS.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3506.asp

Personally, I - as a flawed follower of the Vedas - would extend the definition of atheism to include denial of the authority of the Vedic scriptures and the principles of Bhagavad-gita. Actually, amazingly advanced material knowledge is contained in these ancient Sanskrit codes:

Voltaire, the famous French writer and philosopher) stated that "Pythagoras went to the Ganges to learn geometry." Abraham Seidenberg, author of the authoritative "History of Mathematics," credits the Sulba Sutras as inspiring all mathematics of the ancient world from Babylonia to Egypt to Greece.

As Voltaire & Seidenberg have stated, many highly significant mathematical concepts have come from the Vedic culture, such as:

The theorem bearing the name of the Greek mathematician Pythagorus is found in the Shatapatha Brahmana as well as the Sulba Sutra, the Indian mathematical treatise, written centuries before Pythagorus was born.

The Decimal system, based on powers of ten, where the remainder is carried over to the next column, first mentioned in the Taittiriya Samhita of the Black Yajurveda.

The Introduction of zero as both a numerical value and a place marker.

The Concept of infinity.

The Binary number system, essential for computers, was used in Vedic verse meters.

A hashing technique , similar to that used by modern search algorithms, such as Googles, was used in South Indian musicology. From the name of a raga one can determine the notes of the raga from this Kathapayadi system. (See Figure at left.)

Vedic Sound and Mantras

The Vedas however are not as well known for presenting historical and scientific knowledge as they are for expounding subtle sciences, such as the power of mantras. We all recognize the power of sound itself by it's effects, which can be quite dramatic. Perhaps we all have seen a high-pitched frequency shatter an ordinary drinking glass. Such a demonstration shows that Loud Sounds can produce substantial reactions

It is commonly believed that mantras can carry hidden power which can in turn produce certain effects. The ancient Vedic literatures are full of descriptions of weapons being called by mantra. For example, many weapons were invoked by mantra during the epic Kuruksetra War, wherein the Bhagavad-gita itself was spoken.

The ancient deployment of Brahmastra weapons, equivalent to modern day nuclear weapons are described throughout the Vedic literatures. Additionally, mantras carry hidden spiritual power, which can produce significant benefits when chanted properly. Indeed, the Vedas themselves are sound vibrations in literary form and carry a profound message. Spiritual disciplines recommend meditational practices such as silent meditation, silent recitation of mantras and also the verbal repetition of specific mantras out loud...
http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/scientific-verif-vedas.html

(er...What was the question again? )

[the_beaver]

Rteacher, you're a great guy and you bring a lot of amusement to my life. I'm glad there are people like you out there because, among other reasons, you remind of the wacky variety of people in the world and that some of the wackos are harmless. And because I know you're harmless I have little fear that you'll pull a mantra out of your hat that'll obliterate me in an isolated, yet nuclear-strength, rendition of hare rama hare rama hare krishna hare krishna when I straight out tell you that you're the poster child for krishna conciousness vacuity -- indeed, if the point of chanting a mantra is to create an empty mind I will tell you that you have not only achieved a blank brain, you have a impressive vacuum between your ears.

[Troll_Bait]

[the_beaver]

[Rteacher]

Hey, I may have "experimented" a bit overmuch with lysergic acid products (and such) in my pre-hare krishna daze, but enough brain cells survived (or were regenerated) to for me to function at least on equal intellectual footing with kindergarden students (as well as Korean university instructors of your caliber... )

Similar to former drug addicts who credit Jesus with saving them (at least from drugs...) it took like total immersion in Krishna consciousness to get me from drug culture to Vedic culture...

Anyway, as you should know, a vacuum (in the original classic sense of the term before wacky scientists kept re-defining it...) exists nowhere in nature...
Is there a vacuum in nature? This is a question which preoccupied natural philosophers for millennia. Great thinkers including Democritus and Newton maintained the existence of a vacuum, while Aristotle, Descartes and Leibniz argued strongly that there was not, and perhaps could not be, any such thing. A casual glance at the literature of contemporary physics may leave the impression that scientific progress has produced a definitive positive answer, so that the philosophers' debates are now of only historical interest. Not only is the attainment of high vacua a multimillion dollar industry, but almost every text and research paper in theoretical high energy or condensed matter physics or cosmology includes multiple references to the vacuum and its often surprising properties. And yet we have it on the authority of no less a scientist than Einstein himself that his general theory of relativity vindicates Descartes' conclusion that there could be no vacuum since the idea of space without matter is unintelligible!
http://web.arizona.edu/~phil/faculty/extra/rhealey_meta.htm

Ergo, if a perfect vacuum exists within my cranium as you suggest, I must be a supernatural being. (...And, from a spiritual perspective, the idea of conscious life evolving from dead matter is unintelligible ...)

[the_beaver]

[Rteacher]

Funny coincidence how that expression uses the term "abhors" - which perfectly describes your origins... The prefix "ab" is derived from the Latin word meaning "from", and "hors" is a common mispelling of "whores"...