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Homer
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 Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Not a bandwagon Grotto.
The supervisor gave the teachers money out of her own pocket to pay for taxis to the meetings. Some teachers then kept the remainibn g money after paying for the taxi and used it for personal use.
If you see nothing wrong with this behaviour that is your choice. I see it as being cheap and taking advantage of someone being generous. The amount does not matter here, the principle does.
As for the school sending teachers on meetings, that happens. I do think the school should either provide transportation or pay for transportation foe the teachers. The school was wrong in not doing this. The teachers were also wrong in pocketing the money.
As for me twisting the OP..what drugs are you on???
The OP (as you quoted in bold) said the supervisor gave each teacher 20 000 won...not 20 000 won for the group....
If they took a cab together and pocketed the money then how does that make it better??? In fact it makes it just a bit worse.
Again grotto, this is no national outrage...it is a few teachers being greedy and cheap and taking advantage of the generosity of a person. The company should have paid but from what the OP said (in subsequent posts) the supervisor decided to give money out of her own pocket and then the teachers decided this was to be used as they saw fit. This of course is a choice, it is just a sad little choice.
So just to be sure you get it here is a precision provided by the OP in this very thread:
And that's right - if the money was being offered to them from the company to pay for a taxi and then they used it for a taxi and didn't return the change - we wouldn't be talking about this. But that's not what happened. They insisted on recieving taxi money and then used it for personal expenses.
Starting to get it now Grotto?
No wait...it was not their fault...the money was given hence roll with it...as I said a very elastic moral fiber. |
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Grotto
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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As for me twisting the OP..what drugs are you on???
The OP (as you quoted in bold) said the supervisor gave each teacher 20 000 won...not 20 000 won for the group....
If they took a cab together and pocketed the money then how does that make it better??? In fact it makes it just a bit worse.
Again grotto, this is no national outrage...it is a few teachers being greedy and cheap and taking advantage of the generosity of a person. The company should have paid but from what the OP said (in subsequent posts) the supervisor decided to give money out of her own pocket and then the teachers decided this was to be used as they saw fit. This of course is a choice, it is just a sad little choice. |
So the supervisor made a choice to give each teacher 20,000 won...did the teachers ask for it? From what was posted in the OP they did not(never look a gift horse in the mouth)they took it and used it for the purpose for which it was intended..getting to the meeting...even the OP shared a cab, so is she greedy, petty and cheap as well? That they didnt spend the entire amount stupidly seems to have you peeved! Why is that?
That they took a cab together is totally irrelevant.
My OUTRAGE is at you calling these people, greedy, petty and cheap and taking advantage of the supervisor. Just how did they reach these low moral grounds you accuse them of?
They were given money to go to a meeting. They went to the meeting. That they didnt waste the money stupidly is irrelevant. They pocketed a whole 10$ and you insult them by trashtalking!
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| If you see nothing wrong with this behaviour that is your choice |
. I guess I was brought up not to judge other people, to stand up against a wrong when I see it and defend those who cant defend themselves(they other teachers may not be readers of Daves).
I also do a little thing called reading between the lines.
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| The other teachers at my school took the money even though some of them had overlapping meetings and then took the train and used the money that my boss gave them (out of her own pocket - I just want to emphasize) for something else. |
Out of curiosity, just how would the OP know what the other teachers spend the money on? It was 20,000 won, bus fare for an hour and a half would be about 5000 won for a one way trip. If they took the train its still and hour and a freakin half there of their time....now who is being cheap, petty, greedy...etc....the Korean company thats who. Methinks this post was a troll.....and boy did you bite,b with your condemnation of total strangers. Spouting out your judgement from your pedastal...then along comes Grotto who kicks the pedastal out from under you and lands you right into the ditch from whence you crawled. Its called reality. Look into it! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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I am basing my response on the OP...you are basing it on reading between the lines... 
Allrighty then Grotto...keep kicking those imaginary pedestals and fighting the good fight. |
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Grotto
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| The manager doesn't get reimbursed or expense this in any way. There are 16 branches of our school and none of the other branches' teachers recieve any sort of transportation money. However, about 6 of those branches (mine being one of them is more than an hour away, by train, from the main branch where the meetings are). Also, she didn't offer them the money they put up a rather big stink about it so she gave in |
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How the hell would you know whether or not the manager gets reimbursed? R U the manager? If not, heres a little clue, hogwan managers/directors lie...they lie and lie and lie. So you contacted each and every teacher at all other 16 branches and asked them if they got money to go?(I call bullshyte).
They should rightfully put up a "big stink" about being forced to waste 3 hours of their time to go to some stupid meeting. If they are not being paid to go to these meetings then they should just refuse. Just because some dictator wants to feel important by having all the whiteys jump to his beck and call once a month doesnt mean you should do it. You want meetings? You go to the schools!
I cant believe that people are carping about a whole 20,000 won. Did the teachers ask for the 20k? Or did the manager decide to give it to them that time because of previous 'stinks'?
So much baloney from so many people about how pocketing a couple of bucks for 3 + hours of your time makes you  "cheap, petty and greedy' |
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seoulsista
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I hate to be a stickler here but one of the basic premises of my arguement is that they didn't take a taxi. If they had taken a taxi there wouldn't have been any change. A taxi to and from would have been exactly 20,000 won. Hence no arguement and no posting on Dave's.
They demanded taxi money (she only gave in - didn't offer - say what you will about that ) and then took the train, which was the one thing they argued against having to do in the first place.
Keeping the change from a taxi - whatever. Demanding money for a taxi and then taking the train and pocketing the money - cringe-worthy!
Essentially, those teachers pocketed 18, 200 won. Not a large sum for sure. Which makes it all that more lame to be deceptive about such a pittance.
For the next meeting she will probably give us taxi money again. However, in this case we would all be traveling together in which case we will all have 40,000 won to share between everyone (6 teachers, two taxis). No train. |
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seoulsista
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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I know she doesn't get reimbursed because teachers at other branches found out that we were getting money for transportation and they went to their manager and complained. That manager then went back to our manager and then and asked about it.
The subject was then brought up at a meeting amoungst all the schools in our area and the foreign manager (who works at the head office ) and our manager told everyone (roughly 20 teachers from 4 schools) that our boss has been paying it out of her own pocket and that the other teachers at the other schools shouldn't expect the same from their bosses.
I agree that ultimately the school should pay for our transportation. I also agree that we shouldn't be expected to spend three (really 4 sometimes) hours travelling. However, you agree to that when you sign the contract. If your boss agrees to give you money to defray the time of transportation because you complained about it - then use it for the intended transportation. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Seoulsista,
Thank you for the information.
Clears it right up. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| seoulsista wrote: |
They demanded taxi money (she only gave in - didn't offer - say what you will about that ) and then took the train, which was the one thing they argued against having to do in the first place.
Keeping the change from a taxi - whatever. Demanding money for a taxi and then taking the train and pocketing the money - cringe-worthy! |
Eesh. I agree that's cringe-worthy. Earlier in the thread I said I'd have done the same thing, but now I realize it's a different situation than I'd previously thought. Perhaps I was reading too lazily, but I thought it was company money that just happened to have been left over. In that case, yeah, I would've kept it, and just considered it a little something for my time. Of course, that would greatly depend on my relationship with the company. I was sent on two trips to Seoul for training at my last job, and both times I returned the leftover money that was given for travel expenses, along with receipts. I also had a wonderful relationship with my boss. It's a give and take, imo. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
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| Perhaps we should reveal the names of these "cheap waegooks" so Homer would know never to lend them money. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Already lent them bus fare which they used to buy cigarettes...filthy punks! |
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Grotto
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think my vehemence stems from the amount of ripping off the Korean director/manager/owner does to their FT's! They treat the Ft's like endentured servants and force them to attend meetings without any thought to the logistics involved!
Stupid owners....stupid managers .....and stupid Ft's for putting up with such stupidity! |
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jajdude
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I spend on average 400,000SKW per mo, including gas and electric and international calling cards. Am I cheap?  |
Damn that is impressive.
Seeing I drink more than that I'm impressed.. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Good lord...any excuse is ok...lol |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's time for another satire.....LOL |
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seoulsista
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| There's some aweful bosses in Korea. Mine's not one of them. She usually pays us 2-3 days early. Always before the weekend. |
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