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Air Canada's Bright(?) Idea To Save Big Bucks
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coffeeman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Air Canada's Bright(?) Idea To Save Big Bucks Reply with quote

Air Canada execs must be the kings of cheapness!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060420.wxtetra20/BNStory/Business/

That's the last straw for me! I'm not flying with them anymore!


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poker player



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I'll keep flying AC because
I know I cost a shyte load to them in fuel-I weigh 146 kilos
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plattwaz



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the article is just poorly written....it says $150 a year for every kilogram of weight shed... Later on in the article they figure that the bottles will result in a 50KG weight loss per average international flight. That's $7500 per aircraft per year.

That's not a small amount, if you work it out and they choose to pass the savings on to passengers (IF) then it could knock ticket prices down a bit....
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poker player wrote:
Actually I'll keep flying AC because
I know I cost a shyte load to them in fuel-I weigh 146 kilos


Dude, you know that's coming next. They'll probably add a surcharge to people for excess bodyweight. They'll do bodyfat tests at check-in and charge you for whatever weight you are over according to the doctor recommended weights. Discounts for anorexics. Very Happy
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Air Canada's Bright(?) Idea To Save Big Bucks Reply with quote

coffeeman wrote:
Air Canada execs must be the kings of cheapness!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060420.wxtetra20/BNStory/Business/

That's the last straw for me! I'm not flying with them anymore!


I will stick with AC mainly because I know their Airplanes will not fall out of the sky.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I don't see anything wrong with this.
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Air Canada's Bright(?) Idea To Save Big Bucks Reply with quote

[quote="Wrench"]
coffeeman wrote:


I will stick with AC mainly because I know their Airplanes will not fall out of the sky.


You know that? Well, I guess you're a lot better informed than I am. Smile How do you know they're not skimping on maintenance? I'd rather fly Korean Air. Labor is much cheaper in comparison, so they don't have to necessarily cut corners here. The food is cuuuuurapo on AC's flights too. I expect some edible food when I have to stand that awful 12 hour flight back home.

To add insult to injury, AC won't even give you a free sandwich anymore on their Vancouver - Toronto / Montreal flights. Yet, they can somehow pay millions of dollars on advertising to name Toronto's main hockey arena after the company (Air Canada Centre). You know where their main interests lie - not with you. Let's admit it. AC is our country's shame.
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coffeeman you might want to think twice before flying korean air. I've heard that their over all operation is so bad that private insurance companies won't insure them. The korean government has promised to bail them out if anything goes wrong.
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Natalia



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
coffeeman you might want to think twice before flying korean air. I've heard that their over all operation is so bad that private insurance companies won't insure them. The korean government has promised to bail them out if anything goes wrong.


I keep hearing horror stories about Korean Air. It's a good thing I didn't know any of this when I flew with them. I walked into the travel agent in London and said I wanted the cheapest flight to Australia. They booked me on Korean. Very Happy

Granted, it wasn't the best, but I've had disasters with airlines with far better reputations.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
coffeeman you might want to think twice before flying korean air. I've heard that their over all operation is so bad that private insurance companies won't insure them. The korean government has promised to bail them out if anything goes wrong.

Well then, I'd say the AC-KA code-sharing is somewhat problematic. How will you know what carrier you'll be on when you buy a ticket on code-shared routes?
As for the whole wine weight thing- it's a sensible idea but does not change my general disatisfaction with AC.

Wrench has a point, but only if you compare AC and KA, which brings us back round to code-sharing...
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desultude



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between the seat space shrinking over the last ten years, and westerners inflating, it can get real uncomfortable on those flights. I love it when a 50 kilo Korean sits next to me- he or she will take little space, be easy to get around, and fall sound asleep before we take off.

I have a suggestions- reduce the number of seats, increase the spacing, and you will reduce the weight. I wonder how that would balance against the lost revenue. Less passengers, less seats, food, attendants, baggage, etc., might actually improve the bottom line.

On another note- I don't envy you Canadians your trip homes- it is much more expensive than to the States. It seems that it might be cheaper to fly into the States and take a taxi the rest of the way home! (Of course, now that Homeland Security is involved, you probably would need a special visa!)
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="desultude"]Between the seat space shrinking over the last ten years, and westerners inflating, it can get real uncomfortable on those flights. I love it when a 50 kilo Korean sits next to me- he or she will take little space, be easy to get around, and fall sound asleep before we take off.
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50 kg Koreans don't always take less space than big western people. I had this 20 year old guy sitting next to me on the left side section that has only two seats. He was probably 60kg or something. "Great!" I thought. But come meal time, he was a real pain in the ass. His elbows came out and hit me every time he cut his food or unwrapped his dishes. To combat this, I raised the arm rest that was between us to a level that would stop his elbow from hitting me. At that time I was wishing there was a sheet of glass between us. What a pest! And have you ever noticed that Korean guys will never share the armrest between you? Western guys will usually try to leave a little space for your arms. When I sit next to Korean guys, I find myself sitting crossarmed most of the time. Korean women are much less selfish to sit next to. If I have to sit next to a guy, I'd rather sit next to a 120 kg western guy than a 60 kg Korean. More often than not, the western guy will not pretend I am invisible..
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Air Canada's Bright(?) Idea To Save Big Bucks Reply with quote

[quote="coffeeman"]
Wrench wrote:
coffeeman wrote:


I will stick with AC mainly because I know their Airplanes will not fall out of the sky.


You know that? Well, I guess you're a lot better informed than I am. Smile How do you know they're not skimping on maintenance? I'd rather fly Korean Air. Labor is much cheaper in comparison, so they don't have to necessarily cut corners here. The food is cuuuuurapo on AC's flights too. I expect some edible food when I have to stand that awful 12 hour flight back home.

To add insult to injury, AC won't even give you a free sandwich anymore on their Vancouver - Toronto / Montreal flights. Yet, they can somehow pay millions of dollars on advertising to name Toronto's main hockey arena after the company (Air Canada Centre). You know where their main interests lie - not with you. Let's admit it. AC is our country's shame.


AC is rated as one of the safest the best maintained airlines in the world.
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="coffeeman"][quote="desultude"]Between the seat space shrinking over the last ten years, and westerners inflating, it can get real uncomfortable on those flights. I love it when a 50 kilo Korean sits next to me- he or she will take little space, be easy to get around, and fall sound asleep before we take off.
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50 kg Koreans don't always take less space than big western people. I had this 20 year old guy sitting next to me on the left side section that has only two seats. He was probably 60kg or something. "Great!" I thought. But come every meal time, he was a real pain in the ass. His elbows came out and hit me every time he cut his food or unwrapped his dishes. To combat this, I raised the arm rest that was between us to a level that would stop his elbow from hitting me. At that time I was wishing there was a sheet of glass between us. What a pest! And have you ever noticed that Korean guys will never share the armrest between you? Western guys will usually try to leave a little space for your arms. When I sit next to Korean guys, I find myself sitting crossarmed most of the time. Korean women are much less selfish to sit next to. If I have to sit next to a guy, I'd rather sit next to a 120 kg western guy than a 60 kg Korean. More often than not, the western guy will not pretend I am invisible..[/
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

forget "passing the savings on to the customer"....horse hockey.

they need to create SOME kind of profit margin for their stockholders....
i'll bet before the end of the year, we'll see another hike in prices...
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