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Seoul's electronic underground?
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0oo0



Joined: 22 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,

i don't know anything about Heyri Villiage really, except what i've seen on the web, and a friend of a friend is doing some curating for the festival in sept. It looks like worth checking out though.

I'll try to explain where purple records is: get out of the station (Hongik univ.) and walk up hill toward the university, when you reach a T-junction, turn left and walk a little way, it will be on the left. It's on the same street as loads of little galleries (that i didn't look at). I was disappointed when i went there because i didn't see any flyers, anything that was interesting really. I tried to talk to the guy working there, but i don't speak Korean and his english was not good. But we did manage to establish that he didn't know IRI cafe, and didn't know of any other record stores in Hongdae.

maybe he was just a part timer or something, he looked about 12.

I also found another record store that day called misty, packed to the rafters with second hand stuff, which is kind of on the main (clothes) shopping street in Hongdae. The guy there was super nice, but had his vinyl arranged alphabetically! and there are a lot of records! But i did find one john cage, some faust, and some old Korean folk music. It's impossible to browse - but the owner seems to know where everything is if you ask him. i doubt there's much new or electronic in there though.

There's also another one just down from the park, near the top of the street with most of the clubs. i don't know what it's called. It seemed to have mostly CDs, but if you're into jazz and maybe some avantgarde stuff that would be the place to go. i didn't go in, but i intend to some time.

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I went to Autechre last year in japan too, but in Tokyo. Same total darkness thing. it was unspeakably good.
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re:cursive



Joined: 04 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0oo0 wrote:

I also know that Carston Nicoli (aka Noto, Raster Noton) will be in Heyri Art Village for a festival in September

Cool. I quite liked the Opto album he did with Opiate.

0oo0 wrote:

I'm surprised you're finding it tricky to get a mac here? i was just on the korean apple website today, seems straightforward enough, and once you have the computer, getting logic pro online shouldn't pose too many problems - especially if you're will ing to pay for it.


All of the new dual core machines that were in Korea awaiting the official release date were sent back to Singapore for some reason and therefore have not been released in Korea yet (even though they still appear prominently on the website). When I spoke to Apple they were unable to give me any definite idea of when the new shipment of dual core machines would arrive. So I'm left to play the waiting game...it's been a month so far.

Soul Forest wrote:

If you are an English teacher, you should probably be able to use the Education discount. With the education discount, you can bring the price down about 10% on most items and sometimes more. This makes it slightly more affordable.

Excellent...I was wondering about that. I might have to stock up on some other software while I'm here. From what I've seen in the past some titles have huge savings.

Soul Forest wrote:

Resfest comes to Seoul each year

Wow. I had no idea it came to Seoul. Another one for the calender.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not naive to refer to "underground electronica". Clearly, some electronic is not underground anymore, witness the Ibiza compilations or Ministry of Sound compilations. But there is definitely still "underground electronica" around.

Not that I care too much. Im not into underground this or that. I make house music, and I do my best to make straight up clubby floor fillers. It's just as challenging as doing weird out there stuff, I can tell you cause I've dabbled in all electronic genres.
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Ron Stevens



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naive in the sense that the template is just so set for a lot of this music

im not saying it's any less valid for this

i saw this korean guy in a vinyl market on the WE he was picking out some interesting stuff maybe for samples or use on the decks, he had on an ok player t-shirt

there must be some signs of life here
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Stevens wrote:
naive in the sense that the template is just so set for a lot of this music

im not saying it's any less valid for this

i saw this korean guy in a vinyl market on the WE he was picking out some interesting stuff maybe for samples or use on the decks, he had on an ok player t-shirt

there must be some signs of life here

Now I think you're confused about what underground means. It has nothing to do with whether a stylisitc template is set or not. Underground means music created by a group or artist that is not signed to a major label, and it "independantly released". It has nothing to do with being innovative, you can have very boring underground music. Though more often than not the underground where the interesting music is, because the lack of pressure to be commercial ( a la big labels ) allows more room to play around...
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Ron Stevens



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
Ron Stevens wrote:
naive in the sense that the template is just so set for a lot of this music

im not saying it's any less valid for this

i saw this korean guy in a vinyl market on the WE he was picking out some interesting stuff maybe for samples or use on the decks, he had on an ok player t-shirt

there must be some signs of life here

Now I think you're confused about what underground means. It has nothing to do with whether a stylisitc template is set or not. Underground means music created by a group or artist that is not signed to a major label, and it "independantly released". It has nothing to do with being innovative, you can have very boring underground music. Though more often than not the underground where the interesting music is, because the lack of pressure to be commercial ( a la big labels ) allows more room to play around...



you can debate these kind of definitions endlessly, and if find it a little adolescent and a bit boring because at the end of the day i couldn't care less i'm just interested in hearing some decent music

your own notion of "underground" here is i find, somewhat narrow, yes naive and completely wide of the mark: hey, a mariah carey record can be "underground" in the right context. yes most interesting music tends to come out on the indies for the business reasons you cite but this but one aspect of the scene or culture

newness, freshness and originality/a disaffection with whats existing is clearly has some relevance while a scene like deep house in the US can be still said to be underground because it's continued non commercial nature and the subcultural aspects attached to it
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My definition is the literal one my friend, and hardly naive, as I have 15 years experience on the inside of the industry, first as a song writer/recording artist and now as a semi pro producer. But whatever, enjoy yourself, have a blast with your version of underground!
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Endesu



Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another electronica-freak here... Seriously wonder how I will survive in Seoul. Im coming over to live there a while, and last time I was over, I only heard k-pop on every corner.

Im also thinking of setting up a simple studio when I get there, Im gonna live right next to Yongsan, so at least I will have easy access to the goods! Hoping to find some shop with a good selection where I can haggle my ass off. Anyone know of any?

Has there ever been any other Techno-people apart from Hawtin in Seoul?
Someone told me Jeff Mills visited once, which would make sense since he visits Japan about a gazilion times a year. Maybe I will just have to go to Japan for some good parties Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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0oo0



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Stevens wrote:


i saw this korean guy in a vinyl market on the WE he was picking out some interesting stuff maybe for samples or use on the decks, he had on an ok player t-shirt




vinyl market? where?
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chest rockwell



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oni wrote:
London Elektricity are playing at a HOngdae club on May 25!!


Its May 27th at club cargo. LE are only playing a DJ set though. Cyantific are playing as well and these gents have been caning it of late. Id be gagging for this but Im gonna be back in NZ going mental to Calibre and Marcus Intalex on May 20th. Someone go to this and report back in triplicate pls.

link: http://www.clubcargo.co.kr/zb41/view.php?id=party&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=90
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Ron Stevens



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

re MAY 27 check out the DEMF line-up Shocked

http://www.source7.net/Function/event/eventdetail.asp?e_id=18364
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Ron Stevens



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

0oo0 wrote:
Ron Stevens wrote:


i saw this korean guy in a vinyl market on the WE he was picking out some interesting stuff maybe for samples or use on the decks, he had on an ok player t-shirt




vinyl market? where?


its in that shopping area in the subway near shinsegae dept store/namdaemun mrkt

not brilliant or really approaching anything very decent but maybe worth a look for soundtracks or soul/jazz funk albums
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0oo0



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the vinyl market info, i'll check it out.

The Demf would certainly be nice to go to. The paxahau site has some nice stuff in the archives to listen to http://www.paxahau.com/node.htm (including a new-ish sleeparchive set)

Maybe we can get some vicarious streaming enjoyment from there during the festival...
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ultrahipnosis



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Location: Pusan, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject: Hope you like hip-hop! Reply with quote

Hello,

I've been a fan of nearly all styles of electronic music for most of my life. After living in Korea for nearly three years, my advice for you is not to waste your time looking for a scene that is similar to what you may have known back home. I don't live in Seoul, but I've been there a few times. While it's much better than the rest of Korea, it still doesn't have the artistic diversity that we are accustomed to in the West. The lack of artistic diversity has been one of the hardest things for me to accept about living in Korea.

In my opinion, there will never be a big electronic music scene in Korea. Koreans are extremely collective, and they tend to enjoy music they can sing along to. In addition, Koreans are pretty shy, so they will rarely venture out on the dance floor to try dancing to a new style of music. On the up side, I have found that I have been able to develop my production and mixing skills without the influence of too many trends around me. As a result, my productions have taken on a more unique character than they had back home. It is also worth finding a small group of people to share your love of electronic music with. I wish you the best of luck and hope you find what you're looking for!
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Satori



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the people making electronic music here, what styles are you doing, and do you have any stuff online to check out?
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