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pauly
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Incheon
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| I was suprised at the negative rap that kyopos had, but after reading posts by assholes who are delusional and in denial about what Koreans can are capable of, I can understand why. In no way do I share the idealistic views of Koreans that patchy adheres to. I'm not blinded to the rascist tendencies by a nationalistic fervor for all things Korean. In fact, I would say that it's Korea's strong sense of nationalism that causes Koreans to look down upon what isn't completely Korean...including mixed- Koreans and us kyopos. At the same time, not all Koreans are like that, just as much as not all Canadians are insecure about their identity, all Americans are arrogant, all muslims are overzealous terrorist, and all kyopos are...well, like patchy. |
Being a banana is not something I would be openly boasting about But talking down about Asians in the way you have, calling them "delusional" and "assholes" - without giving any explanation - IOW just joining the group here who call Koreans racist for not accepting foreigners' blood - |
I'm proud of being Canadian and I'm proud of my Korean heritage. If you call that boasting, then fine. If you don't "boast" about yours, what are you ashamed of, your nationality, or your heritage?
I wasn't actually calling all Asians delusional assholes. The reference was to some kyopos...specifically you. And if you re-read my post, you would know the explanations. If you want a specific reference to your delusions, here is one example.
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| In her day, she was probably treated poorly...or would have been by Koreans. Probably seen as a traitor of some kind. Now that her son is a hero of sorts, she is being revered as a saint for raising such a boy on her own. |
Ward Hines stated in an interview he was teased as a kid (presumably by whites) for being African-American and Korean in the USA, but that his treatment was nothing compared to what his mother went through adapting to life there. |
You quoted someone speculating the identity of Ward's mother's antagonists. You make a rebuttle with a speculation of your own, that it's white people, while conveniently overlooking the fact that the identity of the racists were Koreans, as stated by Ward's mother.
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The reporter speaks with Hines mom...
"What does Hines think about the Korean blood that runs though his veins?
"Since he was young, he always got along well with the other Korean and Vietnamese kids. It seems like he does have some pride in his Korean blood. But we've also been hurt as Koreans. When Hines was in high school, there was an inter-school friendship match for the Korean students. Since he was good at baseball, a school invited him to play. But after the game, when the kids went out to eat, the person who put together the event only took the Korean kids, leaving Hines behind (Ward is of mixed parentage, his father an African-American). After that I told Hines to never hang out with Korean kids. Yet when we went to Korea in '98, even Korean people who looked educated spat when we walked by. Koreans judge others based on their appearance and their age. Those kinds of Koreans think that they are so special��"
Fickle bunch.... |
The thing is, patchy, I agree with some of the things you said. Like you said, the term "waeguk" isn't offensive at all. I am, after all, a foreigner. What I do find offensive is you. You, sir (and I use the term lightly), are an offensive human being. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Well, then you would agree with me when I said that the Muslims would make better immigrants to Korea than western EFLers would because Muslims or Middle Easterners and South East Asians have a similar culture to Koreans. |
I would agree that SE Asians may have a similar (although quite distinct) culture to Korea, as they were also influenced by the Chinese. The idea that Korean and Muslim culture is similar is, however, rather tenuous.
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| The only difference is their religion but there have been no conflicts over that in Korea and generally the eastern Asians have had no major conflicts in their history with Muslims ie they have coexisted peacefully. |
Seeing as Islam is the most important defining characteristic for Arabs and Muslims, that represents a huge cultural difference. The reason you have had no conflicts with Muslims is because the Muslim population is tiny, and you are very selective about those you let in.
East Asians have largely not 'co-existed' with Muslims at all, due to the fact that Japan and Korea do not border Muslim nations and have never had any sizeable Muslim populations. Thus, it is nonsense to say you have 'coexisted peacefully'. You have not coexisted, period. China does border Muslim nations, and it has had quite a few problems with Muslims on its Western borders. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Patchy,
Just want to ask you a question.
To the best of your knowledge, when one goes to donate blood in Korea, is the blood tested...
1) by a series of scientific tests
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2) by a questionaire
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3) by both scientific testing and a questionaire
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4) you don't know.
This is not meant to be sarcastic in any way, nor is it meant to make you look a fool. All I want is your answer. You can if you want just post the number of your answer. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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http://www.redcross.or.kr/www/eng/donate.jsp
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Giving blood is a very simple way to make a big difference. With 16 Blood Centers and several bus donation buses located all over the country, there are many different places that you can go to donate blood.
While the donation process is relatively simple, there are some basic requirements that have to be met prior to blood being taken:
- Donors must have resided in Korea for a minimum 1 year before they are eligible to donate.
- Donors are required to participate in, and satisfy, a donor interview - there are English speaking staff at each Korean Red Cross Blood Center, click here for locations. The interview covers the donor��s current state of health, medical history related to blood born disease and identifying potential exposure to diseases, including travel history.
Donations of whole blood and apheresis (plasma and platelets) are welcome. Donations of whole blood should take approximately 20 minutes, plasma approximately 50 minutes, and platelet donations approximately 90 minutes. Making an appointment ahead of time will ensure a smoother visit. Please contact your local KRC Blood Center to make an appointment here. |
So, has anyone here ever actually had a donation accepted? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Just as an aside, considering the extra time involved, why would anyone prefer to donate anything other than straight-up blood? |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| I would agree that SE Asians may have a similar (although quite distinct) culture to Korea, as they were also influenced by the Chinese. The idea that Korean and Muslim culture is similar is, however, rather tenuous. |
This is exatly my opinion too. That's why I wanted to get more input from him. Maybe he just got mixed up with the geographical locations? Hey, it happens to the best of us, too. 
By the way, do you happen to know how much education was valued in the Muslim countries in the past? Outside of religious studies, of course. I'm aware that we - as West and East - are in a big debt to muslims for their work in the field of mathematics, cartography, geography, medicine, etc. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| I'm aware that we - as West and East - are in a big debt to muslims for their work in the field of mathematics, cartography, geography, medicine |
Actually, the contribution of Muslims in such fields has been greatly exaggerated. Many of these 'Islamic' pioneers were in fact Jews or Christians living in Muslim lands. Their achivements pale in comparison to those of other civilizations.
But, you are right, when you state that in some Muslim countries, religious education is far more valued than actual learning and enquiry. This is particularly so in places like Saudi and Pakistan, and is why so many of their elite come to the West to be educated. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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I'm proud of being Canadian and I'm proud of my Korean heritage. If you call that boasting, then fine. If you don't "boast" about yours, what are you ashamed of, your nationality, or your heritage?
I wasn't actually calling all Asians delusional assholes. The reference was to some kyopos...specifically you. And if you re-read my post, you would know the explanations. |
No, I wouldn't know because you made no references other than the blood thing, you just called me a nationalist a**hole who posted racist stuff all day long.
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| If you want a specific reference to your delusions, here is one example. |
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| In her day, she was probably treated poorly...or would have been by Koreans. Probably seen as a traitor of some kind. Now that her son is a hero of sorts, she is being revered as a saint for raising such a boy on her own. |
Ward Hines stated in an interview he was teased as a kid (presumably by whites) for being African-American and Korean in the USA, but that his treatment was nothing compared to what his mother went through adapting to life there. |
You quoted someone speculating the identity of Ward's mother's antagonists. You make a rebuttle with a speculation of your own, that it's white people, while conveniently overlooking the fact that the identity of the racists were Koreans, as stated by Ward's mother. |
Well, you had to look so hard in this thread for signs of rabid nationalism, and you came up with this?
First off, the person quoted did not speculate about the identity of the people antagonizing Ward's mother, it was clearly stated by the poster that they were Korean. Secondly, as if nobody who is interested in this issue (or even not interested but read the news), doesn't know about the treatment that Hine's mother got when she was in Korea...  OF COURSE, I was talking about the treatment of Ward's mother in the USA in my post, not about when she was in KOREA. And it wasn't only expatriate Koreans (or gyopos) like you who treated her badly, it was also whites. Anybody with half-a-brain would know I meant that.
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| The thing is, patchy, I agree with some of the things you said. Like you said, the term "waeguk" isn't offensive at all. I am, after all, a foreigner. |
Oh yeah, I'm a nationalist who makes up BS just to be an a**hole but occasionally I make things that make sense. I notice YOU didn't post in that thread about waegukins. No, you just come here to make an unsupported generalization about me and bash me as a nationalist racist, just because I said the Korean authorities don't care about 'pure blood' in the ethnic sense when they are considering potential donors, and you don't agree with my view.
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| What I do find offensive is you. You, sir (and I use the term lightly), are an offensive human being. |
Hey, I wasn't the one who posted all that stuff about kyopos LOL . (Not that I have a problem with the stuff jinju said, he's preaching to the converted - I AM a waegukin - his insults are lost on me, I'm afraid, he should be posting that stuff to those objecting to the label in the Waegukin thread, and insulting them:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=55076&start=0
And if you think his disclaimers that he isn't talking about you when he talks about kyopos, are valid, then you're a tool.
What is wrong with being a banana, a twinkie or whatever the terminology is ..., some people are open about it actually, and don't think it's an offensive word, I thought you were one of them:
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| Damn, for once I'm actually glad I'm not white. As a kyopo (who is by the way a total twinkie (yello outside, white inside for those of you who don't know this one) |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/posting.php?mode=quote&p=753431 |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| The only difference is their religion but there have been no conflicts over that in Korea and generally the eastern Asians have had no major conflicts in their history with Muslims ie they have coexisted peacefully. |
Seeing as Islam is the most important defining characteristic for Arabs and Muslims, that represents a huge cultural difference. The reason you have had no conflicts with Muslims is because the Muslim population is tiny, and you are very selective about those you let in.
East Asians have largely not 'co-existed' with Muslims at all, due to the fact that Japan and Korea do not border Muslim nations and have never had any sizeable Muslim populations. Thus, it is nonsense to say you have 'coexisted peacefully'. You have not coexisted, period. China does border Muslim nations, and it has had quite a few problems with Muslims on its Western borders. |
There are Muslim people just above Korea in the former USSR countries: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, all those other 'stans", and many of the people living in those places are Korean ethnically or mixtures.
Korea didn't have much contact with many people prior to the 20th century for that matter, they were mainly exposed to Chinese culture and through the Chinese , had exposure to Muslim cultures.
Some Middle Eastern cultures have a similar floor culture like the Turks, Persians etc, of course this probably came about through the Mongol culture, but the Mongol culture and Korean culture are similar, having Altaic origins. Turks are also Altaic in origin and Korean and Turkish share many similarities: both are agglutinative and commonly use the same sounds.
Lots of other similarities being as Korean culture is still largely a 'traditional' culture, though this is changing rapidly with western influence, the same as ME culture: the gender roles of men and women, to name one. Also the attitude to children, children should follow the family dictates in most things, children don't leave the house at 18, they live at home until they get married. Same attitudes to marriage. Parents also buy homes (if they can afford it) for their grown-up children when they get married. Children are supposed to look after their parents and not put them in nursing homes. Extended families. Sense of kinship. Relying more on family in times of hardship than the government (no dole, other social welfare benefits). Families pooling resources to start a financial enterprise. Dowries. The dreaded mother-in-law. How people's status in society is organized eg. teachers are highly respected (though becoming less so in Korea).
The Zaytuns (Korean army in Iraq) have been one of the more successful armies in Iraq in the US occupation: the Korean culture seems to resonate with the people there and there have been very few conflicts reported and even the opposite, the Kurds have said they like the Koreans being there (and no it's not just because they keep them safe) and Rumsfeld was thinking of modeling his occupation forces approach to the locals in the same way as the Koreans. Iraqis are also getting into Korean dramas: the dramas speak of the same themes that happen in many Iraqis' lives.
Same attitude to gays: don't flaunt and you won't get into trouble. No homophobic bashing and violence that happens in the scale in the west. No qualms about males touching each other. Males often hold hands when they're younger, before they get married. Females too. Same attitude to touching and personal space as Koreans.
Many Middle Easterners who come to Korea say how similar it is (and also Japan is also in some respects but not as much as Korea) to their own countries in terms of culture.
The western culture is quite different to eastern culture, globalization attempts notwithstanding; and this could be why some EFL teachers seem to have trouble adapting to things here, in the same way that they might have not much trouble adapting to the culture if they lived and taught English in Belgium. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Patchy, I want to thank you for your uncalled attack on my post few pages back. Thank you for making me feel special. Or maybe I just misunderstood your witty response as an attack? Maybe you were just being sarcastic? Anyway, if you were genuinely attacking me, I think you might owe me an apology. But I know, we're not little kids anymore and apologizing is so hard. And no, I I'm not really expecting to have an apology from you. |
I just thought sarcasm might get through when repeated reasoned explanation wouldn't get through. And you should try and separate an attack on your posting to an attack on you as a person.
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BLOOD: I'm certainly not a blood expert, just like you so kindly suggested. And I really don't think that being a Westener actually counts for that. Anyway, below is an EU directive how donated blood should be screened in EU countries. The entire text can be found from HERE
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Directive 2002/98/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 January 2003 setting standards of quality and safety for the collection, testing, processing, storage and distribution of human blood and blood components and amending Directive 2001/83/EC
ANNEX IV
BASIC TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR WHOLE BLOOD AND PLASMA DONATIONS
The following tests must be performed for whole blood and apheresis donations, including autologous predeposit donations:
- ABO Group (not required for plasma intended only for fractionation)
- Rh D Group (not required for plasma intended only for fractionation)
- testing for the following infections in the donors:
- Hepatitis B (HBs-Ag)
- Hepatitis C (Anti-HCV)
- HIV 1/2 (Anti-HIV 1/2)
Additional tests may be required for specific components or donors or epidemiological situations.
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As I read it, with my poor command of English, all those above mentioned tests are done to each and every blood donation received. Now I'd like to know what they do to the blood in Korea. Maybe you could provide me with some data about this? |
Well, if you are going back to studying again, I suggest you improve the way you do research on the internet.  Not that internet research is reliable by any stretch of the imagination but after a five-minute search I came up with these links:
(In summary, blood testing is not 100% so the need for good questionnaires which exclude people who might not be aware they have something wrong with their blood (it doesn't even have to be HIV or another infectious disease). Questionnaires in Korean are not practicable to administer to foreigners as this is still a Korean-speaking country. Some, like Pyonghsin may say, "Well, make it easier for foreigners," but I don't think the authorities in Korea bother about the <1% of people who might want to donate - it's not an essential service for foreigners, period. If people feel frustrated that their good intentions are rebuffed and feel there is racism involved then they just need to wait until they go back to their own countries and donate blood or do some other volunteer activity while in Korea. Other countries like the USA discriminate in the area of blood donation with respect to ethnicity/nationality.
If I were rejected, it wouldn't bother me as I would put it down to valid discrimination, i.e. the authorities had good reasons to do so - I'm not going to make a song and dance about it. Although I understand people feeling miffed and a little hurt when they were only trying to be good Samaritans - I also felt a little annoyed when my donation was rejected in Australia - no it wasn't because I had a major disease, I had taken medication in the prior six months so that was the reason - they were just being very strict, and I at the end of the day am glad they are (despite my temporary annoyance), although if you look in one of the links, a little girl caught HIV from a blood transfusion in Australia, so sometimes HIV and other diseases slip through despite the care taken.)
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/hiv-a13.shtml
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Australian schoolgirl contracts HIV via blood transfusion
By Kaye Tucker
13 August 1999
The tragic news of a young girl infected with HIV via a blood transfusion has exposed serious problems in blood screening procedures in Australia. The girl, a primary school student, was given a transfusion during surgery at a major children's hospital in Melbourne. It is the first reported case of such an infection since blood products began being tested for HIV in 1985.
The girl's parents went public in July, raising fears about the safety of current blood products being distributed through the Australian Red Cross Blood Services (ARCBS). Her father, a Melbourne surgeon, had been so concerned at the time of his daughter's surgery at Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital, that he had volunteered his own blood.
"I was aware of the slim chance that the blood testing that is taken out by the Blood Bank can miss the patients who are just in the very first weeks of their (HIV) infection. The impression (the authorities gave me) was that it was an unnecessary hassle. The word I would use would be ��complacent'," he said. |
http://www.bloodbook.com/
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| Worldwide five to ten percent of the cases of HIV infection are transmitted through the transfusion of infected Blood or tainted Blood products. Some of the other severe diseases that can be transmitted by transfusion including ....... |
And if posters are upset by the implication is that foreigners' blood is more diseased especially with the dreaded HIV virus than Koreans' blood and that is the reason for the rejection, well, it is a fact that foreigners' blood (as a whole) is more likely to be infected. However I don't think that is the reason for the rejection but for the other reasons stated above.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_hiv_aid_adu_pre_rat
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/vrc/clintrials/clin_statistics.htm
http://www.youandaids.org/About%20HIVAIDS/Blood%20Safety/index.asp
http://media.www.rustorian.com/media/
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Issue date: 3/1/04 Section: News
A freshman from Brazil perceives her recent experience with the Mississippi Blood Services, a case of discrimination during a blood drive on campus.
From her account, Simone Furtado, felt she was denied an opportunity to help someone. Motivated by the statement on a flier, "One donor helps three people," she had enthusiastically filled out all the necessary forms and was anxiously waiting in line to donate blood.
But she received the shocking news as it gets to her turn. The MBS staff told her that she could not donate blood because she was from Brazil.
She had been in United States only two months, and need to be in the U.S. at least three years to qualify as a donor.
Speaking with The Rustorian, Dr. Pamela Jett, medical director of MBS, based in Jackson, Miss., confirmed that people from abroad who had recently arrived in the United States would need to maintain a consistent residency in the country to qualify as a blood donor.
"We have to follow government guidelines," said Dr. Jett. When asked about the length of stay required in the U.S. and referring to the specific case, she said, "Brazil is a malaria zone. A recent foreigner from Brazil living in the U.S. must wait three years, and a U.S. citizen who visits Brazil must wait one year upon return. If a foreigner from Brazil goes home, the 3-year requirement starts over."
People from Great Britain and other European countries are tested for Creutzfeldt Jacob Disease (FCJD), also known as Mad Cow Disease, and people from China are tested for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
Dr. Jett, however, said that this is not a case of predijuce against foreigners. "We are not discriminating against the person, but are concerned of the spread of diseases." According to Dr. Jett, "There is only about 85 percent chance of discovery of disease during drives, leaving 15 percent chance for three potential victims."
With prevalence of HIV in Africa, Dr. Jet said that inhabitants of certain countries north of Congo River are also prohibited from donating blood. These include Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Central Africa Republic, Congo, Cameroon, Gabon, and other countries on the continent.
Furtado and other international students who felt disappointed, opined that the MBS should have given more explanation, and in particular, stress the residency requirement for donors, rather than subjecting them to embarrassment.
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Here is another person who sounds like some people in this thread who thought they were being unfairly discriminated against because they were rejected. And the country that did the rejecting is the same as buymybook's and a few other posters here as well - maybe they should start a thread about how racist their own countries are for rejecting foreigners' blood. [/SARCASM]
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| There's one more thing I want to say about this issue before I'm done with it. If you, or anyone for that matter, came to Finland and wanted to donate blood, it would be accepted gratefully. Why not in Korea? |
Well, it wouldn't bother me in the first place if I weren't allowed to donate as I would assume they had a good reason to reject me, and you need to speak to Australian authorities about it anyway, I am from Australia and can't donate in Korea: the Australians may not reject all foreigners but I think they reject blood from people of certain countries.
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| (And keep in mind that I'm not attacking Korea or you. As a matter of fact, I prefer Korea over my own country and have made plans about moving there and marrying one wonderful and intelligent Korean woman.) |
No, I never said you were attacking me. But you seem to think I am attacking you - I am attacking your views, not you as a person, once again.
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| About your 2nd response to me. I failed to find the answers to the questions I posted. But that may be acceptable because of my poor reading skills. My bad. I'll promise to read more carefully from now on. |
Well, your English is very good, like a native speaker's, the Finnish must have a very good way of educating their youth in speaking English - Koreans need to learn how the Finnish do it.
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| If you knew a little about Asian history, you would know it is not all about Genghiz Khan and his 'hordes'. The links between Muslims and east Asians were there before Genghiz and long after Genghiz. Besides, you would know they're not the bloodthirsty savages that they are often portrayed as in western history books... |
Thank you for showing your concern about my knowledge of Asian history and the Khan himself. I'm sorry but it might know more about Asian history than you do. My undergrad major was Japanese studies with a special emphasis on history. My major in the grad school was/is Korean and Chinese studies... again emphasis on history. I'm also planning about moving to Korea and pursuing Ph.D in Korean studies - even though it might be unadviced thing to do considering my future career. As for Genghis, I've read at least six different books about him and his successors, but I agree with you that most people have distorted view about his savageness. |
Well, I didn't know your background before I posted this; therefore I am a little surprised you posted in the way you did about the Mongols.
It's not how much you read IMO, it's how you understand and analyze the information.
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Take care and please don't try to sum me up with some posters who don't find Korea to be (for them) quite what they expected it to be.
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I'm not summing you up with anyone. Good luck with your studies. |
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steroidmaximus
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All I know is that:
1- I have blood type O negative, which makes me a so called 'universal donor', quite handy to have in some situations
2- I've donated blood over ten times in Canada, been tested for STD's and other blood diseases and parasites many times, the last less than a year ago in Korea. I'm as clean as the driven snow.
3- I've lived in Korea for over 6 years, am married to a Korean and have 2 children. I'm stable and not running off anywhere.
4- BUT Koreans refuse to allow me to donate blood? eh?
Is there any scientific basis for this? While some western blood types are rare or non existant in Korea and other Asian countries and vice versa, the overall scientific answer would be no. If someone can prove me wrong, I'm all ears.
While most people in this thread have offered research and verifiable documentation to support their argument, the statement that blood supply officials in Korea must know what they are doing by refusing all foreign blood has so far not been proven. No rationale has been offered.
C'mon Patchy, put your money where your mouth is. I want to see Korean and non-Korean sources on this please.
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| Other countries like the USA discriminate in the area of blood donation with respect to ethnicity/nationality. |
select cases do not a blanket rule make. There is justification in refusing blood from certain nationalities and areas, especially if outbreaks of disease have occured; refusing blood from all nationalities not your own is something different. How is this possibly justified? Links, please. |
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patchy
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I think people are trying to find reasons to find Korea a racist country above all others. This thread started off about mixed people and then became a thread about Koreans are racist because they don't accept foreigners' blood because it seems that this is the only thing some people can pick on about Korea.
I think, steroidmaximus, you would better off spending your time, bothering the UN about how you can help decrease the incidence of HIV in half the world, like Africa and SE Asia, rather than spend all your energy scrutinizing Korea's blood donating policy with a microscope (the USA and Korea are different countries with different health problems, the USA has six times the rate of HIV infection as Korea) and demanding answers from EFL teachers about it, like me, so that because nobody can give you an expert's answer, you can go and complain to the UN and to the whole world that Koreans are discriminatory and 'pure bloodists' - ignoring the fact that they reject my blood too which is 100% Korean - and go on ad nauseum about it when it is apparent you know very little about the subject.
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All I know is that:
1- I have blood type O negative, which makes me a so called 'universal donor', quite handy to have in some situations
2- I've donated blood over ten times in Canada, been tested for STD's and other blood diseases and parasites many times, the last less than a year ago in Korea. I'm as clean as the driven snow.
3- I've lived in Korea for over 6 years, am married to a Korean and have 2 children. I'm stable and not running off anywhere.
4- BUT Koreans refuse to allow me to donate blood? eh? |
Just because Koreans rejected YOUR blood, you scream 'foul' and that means Koreans are racist and discriminatory. It's all about YOU, you can't think outside your little self-centered world and can't think that maybe just because YOUR blood is OK, all other foreigners' blood might not be? And you are a foreigner are you not, you aren't a citizen yet? Because that would mean things like joining the military service, working unpaid overtime and not being able to sue about it, and stuff like that, would it not?
No, all you know is that because Korea won't accept YOUR blood, their policy is all wrong and you know better than them without any medical knowledge, that they are being racist and wrong about it.
Some westerners take their sense of victimhood and entitlement a little too far. Just before this, it was being called loud that was unjust and racist, now it's the rejection of their blood that stirs up some westerners' sense of injustice and demands there to be some explanation from ME - as if I represent Korean health authorities.
Just because you're married to a Korean and are settled here doesn't mean you are not an ignorant bigot like some of the posters posting about the subject have shown themselves to be - the type of ignorant bigot who read "Koreans don't accept foreigners' blood"
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_hiv_aid_adu_pre_rat - (Swaziland 38.8% ... Svalbard 0%) and then immediately go on to "KOREANS ARE RACIST! KOREANS ARE RACIST!" Someone mentioned a broken record, needle stuck in the same spot in another thread, I think?
Oh but wait ... I might have it all wrong .... I think you steroid, pyongshin and seoulfinn have got it right ... yes, donating blood is an inalienable right for a human, and if a center refuses to accept your blood, you should take it up with the Human Rights people, with your government, with Bush (who cares so much about human rights; he might even make it into an international incident on your behalf) because it's all about prejudice, whining and entitlement isn't it? You can't have people thinking EFLers might have HIV or do risky things that increase their chances of getting it, because EFLers are so perfect - and they're ENTITLED!!! Their reputation, privileged status must be protected at all costs, you can't have the media or anyone say or imply anything bad about them!!!
Maybe the Lonely Planet should include a section in their books about which countries allow foreigners or nationalities to donate their blood in a given country, because we don't want people visiting racist countries, do we and you know, donating blood is such a vital activity as a tourist or a guest worker these days... yes, I'm serious about this, this is for all the EFlers out there, I'm thinking about them ....
Hmmm ... yep, this thread shows more about some westerners's overgrown sense of entitlement - it's not the minorities in these western countries who are the ones playing the discrimination card the most - it's the homegrown variety that seem to have that card pat-down and square.
And before anyone keeps bugging me and asking me questions (and if you notice, steroidmaximus is asking me the same question that's been asked twice before and that I've answered TWICE already by offering some highly plausible suggested reasons - why do I even bother? - don't turn into another Hanson, steroidmaximus) .......
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While most people in this thread have offered research and verifiable documentation to support their argument, the statement that blood supply officials in Korea must know what they are doing by refusing all foreign blood has so far not been proven. No rationale has been offered.
C'mon Patchy, put your money where your mouth is. I want to see Korean and non-Korean sources on this please. |
... why don't you look things up yourself and do a little research including asking the right people who would know, before you jump into the thread and add your 2 cents "KOREANS ARE RACIST" worth? ..... [You can also quote me and argue with what I've said instead of blatantly and wrongly stating that I never 'put my money where my mouth is'.]
... And some of the people here resent being called ignorant for blasting Koreans on an issue before they even read or look things up themselves first (or bothering to read properly or consider what other posters have already written)? Yep, ignorant, arrogant (the sense of entitlement), lazy (and can't debate or argue properly and ignore logic such as they reject kyopos', 'pure' Korean blood too) and hypocritical.
Some people's creed here: Call Koreans racist first, think about reasons later. |
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Captain Corea
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| Am I the only one who would love it if this guy showed up to the Dave's gathering? |
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steroidmaximus
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do
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Patchy, you sure are one funny duck. entitlement? hahaha I love it.
actually Patchy, I'll make this nice and simple for you, since you have such a hard time seperating fact from fiction, and can't seem to stay on topic very well:
-I didn't make any statements about Koreans being racist because they don't accept my blood blah blah . . .
-nor did I go on 'ad nauseum' about it . . .
-I made a simple statement of fact that took all of app. 18 lines
Not only did you just attribute a whole slew of shit to me that is actually more a reflection of your own stereotypes, hatred and lack of self worth, but you went on for 4 pages spouting irrelevant information that did not support your earlier claims. I simply called you on your noise because I don't put up with unsubstantiated ramblings from raving crackpots who claim to know things they don't.
I'm not scrutinizing anything with a microscope, I'm simply showing you how your statements don't hold up, since you can't be bothered to craft a legitimate reply. Demanding answers? I'm sorry, but weren't you the one who claimed to be privy to the inner workings of Korean blood donation policy? Step up with some legitimate info or sit down and shut up. |
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denverdeath
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Location: Boo-sahn
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| 4- BUT Koreans refuse to allow me to donate blood? eh? |
http://www.redcross.or.kr/www/eng/donate.jsp
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Giving blood is a very simple way to make a big difference. With 16 Blood Centers and several bus donation buses located all over the country, there are many different places that you can go to donate blood.
While the donation process is relatively simple, there are some basic requirements that have to be met prior to blood being taken:
- Donors must have resided in Korea for a minimum 1 year before they are eligible to donate.
- Donors are required to participate in, and satisfy, a donor interview - there are English speaking staff at each Korean Red Cross Blood Center, click here for locations. The interview covers the donor��s current state of health, medical history related to blood born disease and identifying potential exposure to diseases, including travel history.
Donations of whole blood and apheresis (plasma and platelets) are welcome. Donations of whole blood should take approximately 20 minutes, plasma approximately 50 minutes, and platelet donations approximately 90 minutes. Making an appointment ahead of time will ensure a smoother visit. Please contact your local KRC Blood Center to make an appointment here. |
So, did you go through the required steps? What reason did they give you for refusal? |
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