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C.M.
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Gangwondo
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| The engineers used to bash arts all the time in university.A popular t-shirt one year amongst the engineering crowd "Friends don't let freinds take Arts". |
My personal favorite...
Q: "what did the Arts grad say to the Science grad?
A: Do you want fries with that?" |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I know from personal experience that an arts degree DOES get you a job in a hagwon. Surely that fact scores brownie points with the apologists? 
And BTW, to all those who put down BAs; is anyone here jealous of J. K. Rowling? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
I know from personal experience that an arts degree DOES get you a job in a hagwon. Surely that fact scores brownie points with the apologists?
And BTW, to all those who put down BAs; is anyone here jealous of J. K. Rowling? |
Is anyone here jealous of Bill Gates, or that guys who own Oracle? |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Degrees have a few extra benefits. Did you know that people who graduate with a bachelors have a (between 85 - 95%, I forget) less chance of developing alzheimer's. |
That's good to know  |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have a BA Joint Honours in French and German. I am very disappointed by the opportunities open to language graduates.
If anyone was to ask me whether I thought it was worth going to university today, I would say yes if you are thinking about any vocational subject e.g. medicine, dentistry. If not, you would be wasting your time.
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Hey, it means you can work in Korea!
I was actually surprised by my deree. I did it basically because I thought it wold lead to a decent job. So when I actually found myself getting a lot out of the study I was shocked.
It just depends what you are planning to do when you graduate. A lot of people never use the subjects they studied - it's more the status of having a degree. |
Well, I would have liked to have used the subjects I studied. But, I can't stomach working in an office and teaching in the UK these days is the pits.
BUT, the good thing about my degree was I got to spend a year living in France and Germany |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Is anyone jealous of Freddie Mercury (BFA Art & Design, I think)? Or Sting (BEd?) Besides, Bill Gates was a dropout!...
It's silly to make these comparisons, especially for people who took their degrees in a different world, three decades ago. No one here is jealous of Shakespeare?... no degree! 
Ken:> |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| C.M. wrote: |
| Alias wrote: |
| The engineers used to bash arts all the time in university.A popular t-shirt one year amongst the engineering crowd "Friends don't let freinds take Arts". |
My personal favorite...
Q: "what did the Arts grad say to the Science grad?
A: Do you want fries with that?" |
The joke is reality for a lot of people who teach English in Korea for years and later go back to their home countries. |
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C.M.
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Gangwondo
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes. I am aware of the truth of that 'joke'. I have a friend (B.A., History) currently teaching english in China. He had returned to Canada after some years teaching in Asia and the best job he could find was bouncing drunks and keeping the peace at a Salvation Army hostel on the seedy side of town. He has excellent ability and a good strong mind; but still he could not find decent work. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Is anyone jealous of Freddie Mercury (BFA Art & Design, I think)? Or Sting (BEd?) Besides, Bill Gates was a dropout!...
It's silly to make these comparisons, especially for people who took their degrees in a different world, three decades ago. No one here is jealous of Shakespeare?... no degree!
Ken:> |
Then why did you post this line in the first place, silly (your words, not mine)?
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And BTW, to all those who put down BAs; is anyone here jealous of J. K. Rowling? |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| C.M. wrote: |
| Yes. I am aware of the truth of that 'joke'. I have a friend (B.A., History) currently teaching english in China. He had returned to Canada after some years teaching in Asia and the best job he could find was bouncing drunks and keeping the peace at a Salvation Army hostel on the seedy side of town. He has excellent ability and a good strong mind; but still he could not find decent work. |
It's also rather pathetic how some who do go home moan and whine about how they can't get jobs, when DUH, you need skills, marketing and the like to get them. Being abroad for a while usually reduces your marketability in your home job market considerably, and thus you need to find out what you can do to get back in the mainstream.
I remember this one Aussie who moaned that he couldn't find anything other than telemarketing or charity work, then at the end of the thread, he just casually mentioned he never finished university. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| i have a B.A. in Anthropology, but a M.S. in Geophysics. Its all the same. You either luck out and win the job lotery shortly after graduation or you end up working as a waiter or retail sales clerk. Who you know and being in the right place at the right time. You can have the West. |
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peter07
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| i have a B.A. in Anthropology, but a M.S. in Geophysics. Its all the same. You either luck out and win the job lotery shortly after graduation or you end up working as a waiter or retail sales clerk. Who you know and being in the right place at the right time. You can have the West. |
I disagree, I've known people who got plum jobs with their useless degrees even in the worst of job markets. Some just know what to say at interviews that land them jobs, even if their work history is filled with job-hopping, or just have that magic touch. And well, that magic touch isn't innate, you can learn how to write a better resume, do better in interviews and the like. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree, I've known people who got plum jobs with their useless degrees even in the worst of job markets. Some just know what to say at interviews that land them jobs, even if their work history is filled with job-hopping, or just have that magic touch. And well, that magic touch isn't innate, you can learn how to write a better resume, do better in interviews and the like. |
Disagree all you want to. The sheer numbers of highly educated, unemployed people in the West are a testement. There are lots of other factors as well - your age, your gender, and most importanly - the person interviewing you. I wouldn't have have a job in the West now no matter what you paid me. I live by the beach and have money to burn. Way cooler thatn living in podunk Illinois no matter what the job. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree, I've known people who got plum jobs with their useless degrees even in the worst of job markets. Some just know what to say at interviews that land them jobs, even if their work history is filled with job-hopping, or just have that magic touch. And well, that magic touch isn't innate, you can learn how to write a better resume, do better in interviews and the like. |
Disagree all you want to. The sheer numbers of highly educated, unemployed people in the West are a testement. There are lots of other factors as well - your age, your gender, and most importanly - the person interviewing you. I wouldn't have have a job in the West now no matter what you paid me. I live by the beach and have money to burn. Way cooler thatn living in podunk Illinois no matter what the job. |
Judging by the spelling and other errors in your post, I can see why you wouldn't work (or maybe couldn't) in the West. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Judging by the spelling and other errors in your post, I can see why you wouldn't work (or maybe couldn't) in the West. |
Something that always makes me smile is when I get accused of not being able to get a job, or "cut it" back home by a fellow expat living and working in Korea. F### you Yaya. |
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