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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: Bin Ladens' Demands |
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Al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden issued ominous new threats Sunday, apparently seeking to justify attacks on civilians in the West and calling on his followers to go to Sudan to fight a proposed United Nations force in Darfur.
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| Al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden issued ominous new threats Sunday, apparently seeking to justify attacks on civilians in the West and calling on his followers to go to Sudan to fight a proposed United Nations force in Darfur |
Stopping a genocide is a war on Islam?
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| In his first new message in three months, bin Laden also said the West's cutting off of aid to the Palestinian Hamas-led government proved Washington and Europe were conducting "a Zionist [Jewish] crusaders' [Christian] war on Islam." |
Not giving money is a war on Islam? Give money or else!
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Bin Laden called for a global Muslim boycott of American goods similar to the recent ban on Danish products after the publication there of caricatures of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. He said the artists who drew the offending cartoons should be handed over to him for trial and punishment.
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Publish stuff he doesn't like and face the consequences!
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=17&art_id=17208&sid=7632511&con_type=1
There is a lie going that the antiwar movements has been spreading . That Al Qaeda is just a defensive reaction to US foreign policy. False.
Remember Bin Laden accuses the US of supporting the Serbs war against muslims. FALSE
He accuses the US of supporting Russia's war against Checheya. FALSE
He accuses the US of keeping oil prices down. FALSE.
Maybe next he will claim that alternative energy is a war against Islam?
He accuses the US of supporting China's oppresson of Muslims. -FALSE
He demands Timor back . They say forcing Indonesia to give it up was a war against Islam.
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate and perhaps even more than that.
Appeasement is not the solution.
The antiwar movement doesn't understand why Al Qaeda fights. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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He just rewrote the favorite anti-U.S. "distinction" that you can hate and oppose the U.S. govt while not hating or opposing "the American people" --although I do not think that bin Laden ever made this distinction, and surely Moussaoui never did.
bin Laden also restates a U.S.-centric explanation for global problems, as you correctly point out, blaming Washington for problems it is not necessarily associated with, at least not directly and certainly not maliciously.
But I disagree with you on why bin Laden fights: it is based on being only (dangerously) half-informed on world affairs.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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With all due respect then please see below :
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm
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al-Qa'ida (The Base)
Qadat al-Jihad
Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places
World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
Islamic Salvation Foundation
Usama bin Laden Network
Al-Qa'ida is multi-national, with members from numerous countries and with a worldwide presence. Senior leaders in the organization are also senior leaders in other terrorist organizations, including those designated by the Department of State as foreign terrorist organizations, such as the Egyptian al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya and the Egyptian al-Jihad. Al-Qa'ida seeks a global radicalization of existing Islamic groups and the creation of radical Islamic groups where none exist.
Al-Qa'ida supports Muslim fighters in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Kosovo. It also trains members of terrorist organizations from such diverse countries as the Philippines, Algeria, and Eritrea.
Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries. |
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Al Qaeda Has a Plan and Here It Is
by James Dunnigan
September 24, 2005
Discussion Board on this DLS topic
Al Qaeda has a plan, and it뭩 been published in a book (Al-Zarqawi: al Qaeda's Second Generation) by Jordanian journalist, Fouad Hussein. Several al Qaeda leaders were interviewed for the book, including al Qaeda뭩 man in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The book is only available in Arabic, but it does lay out a very straightforward strategy for world conquest. Actually, it sounds a lot like what the nazis and communists had in mind last century. The only difference is that, while the nazis killed you for who you were, and the communists killed you for what you believed,al Qaeda kills you for religious differences. No matter which zealot gets you, you're still dead.
According to Fouad Hussein, al Qaeda has a seven phase plan for world conquest. It goes like this.
Phase 1, the 뱖akeup call.?Spectacular terrorist attacks on the West (like September 11, 2001) get the infidels (non-Moslems) to make war on Islamic nations. This arouses Moslems, and causes them to flock to al Qaedas banner. This phase is considered complete.
Phase 2, the 밻ye opening.?This is the phase we are in, where al Qaeda does battle with the infidels, and shows over a billion Moslems how it뭩 done. This phase is supposed to be completed by next year.
Phase 3, 뱓he rising.?Millions of aroused (in a terrorist sense) Moslems go to war against Islam뭩 enemies for the rest of the decade. Especially heavy attacks are made against Israel. It is believed that major damage in Israel will force the world to acknowledge al Qaeda as a major power, and negotiate with it.
Phase 4, 뱓he downfall.?By 2013, al Qaeda will control the Persian Gulf, and all its oil, as well as most of the Middle East. This will enable al Qaeda to cripple the American economy, and American military power.
Phase 5, 뱓he Caliphate.?By 2016, the Caliphate (one government for all Moslem nations) will be established. At this point, nearly all Western cultural influences will be eliminated from Islamic nations. The Caliphate will organize a mighty army for the next phase.
Phase 6, 뱖orld conquest.?By 2022, the rest of the world will be conquered by the righteous and unstoppable armies of Islam. This is the phase that Osama bin Laden has been talking about for years.
Phase 7, 밼inal victory.?All the world뭩 inhabitants will be forced to either convert to Islam, or submit (as second class citizens) to Islamic rule. This will be completed by 2025 or thereabouts.
Nothing really new in all this. Al Qaeda has been talking openly about this (the global Islamic state) for years. These Islamic terrorists are true believers. God is on their side, and they believe all obstacles will be swept aside by the power of the Lord. Will al Qaeda뭩 plan work? Ask the nazis and communists. |
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20059240226.asp
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For al-Qaeda to succeed, it must overthrow the individual nation-states in the Middle East, most of them colonial creations, and unite them into a single, pan-Islamic state. But Ayman al-Zawahiri's organization, al-Jihad al-Islami, had tried very hard to overthrow the Egyptian state, and was always checked. Al-Zawahiri thought it was because of U.S. backing for Egypt. They believed that the U.S. also keeps Israel dominant in the Levant, and backs Saudi Arabia's royal family.
Al-Zawahiri then hit upon the idea of attacking the "far enemy" first. That is, since the United States was propping up the governments of Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc., all of which al-Qaeda wanted to overthrow so as to meld them into a single, Islamic super-state, then it would hit the United States first.
The attack on the World Trade Center was exactly analogous to Pearl Harbor. The Japanese generals had to neutralize the U.S. fleet so that they could sweep into Southeast Asia and appropriate Indonesian petroleum. The U.S. was going to cut off imperial Japan from petroleum, and without fuel the Japanese could not maintain their empire in China and Korea. So they pushed the U.S. out of the way and took an alternative source of petroleum away from the Dutch (which then ruled what later became Indonesia).
Likewise, al-Qaeda was attempting to push the United States out of the Middle East so that Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Saudi Arabia would become more vulnerable to overthrow, lacking a superpower patron. Secondarily, the attack was conceived as revenge on the United States and American Jews for supporting Israel and the severe oppression of the Palestinians. Bin Laden wanted to move the timing of the operation up to spring of 2001 so as to "punish" the Israelis for their actions against the Palestinians in the second Intifadah. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad was mainly driven in planning the attack by his rage at Israel over the Palestinian issue. Another goal is to destroy the U.S. economy, so weakening it that it cannot prevent the emergence of the Islamic superpower.
Al-Qaeda wanted to build enthusiasm for the Islamic superstate among the Muslim populace, to convince ordinary Muslims that the U.S. could be defeated and they did not have to accept the small, largely secular, and powerless Middle Eastern states erected in the wake of colonialism. Jordan's population, e.g. is 5.6 million. Tunisia, a former French colony, is 10 million, less than Michigan. Most Muslims have been convinced of the naturalness of the nation-state model and are proud of their new nations, however small and weak. Bin Laden had to do a big demonstration project to convince them that another model is possible.
Bin Laden hoped the U.S. would timidly withdraw from the Middle East. But he appears to have been aware that an aggressive U.S. response to 9/11 was entirely possible. In that case, he had a Plan B: al-Qaeda hoped to draw the U.S. into a debilitating guerrilla war in Afghanistan and do to the U.S. military what they had earlier done to the Soviets. Al-Zawahiri's recent message shows that he still has faith in that strategy |
http://hnn.us/articles/7378.html# |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't really doubt that, it's just that his fundamental definition of the problem is based on incomplete information and emotional analysis, or only being half-informed. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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So was this "Bin Laden" doing his little song & dance on video?
Sorry, i didn't *ahem* happen to catch this 
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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So was this "Bin Laden" doing his little song & dance on video.
Sorry, i didn't *ahem* happen to catch this |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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So was this "Bin Laden" doing his little song & dance on video?
Sorry, i didn't *ahem* happen to catch this |
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Well ... ??? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Boy half a decade they've been searching for him. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
So was this "Bin Laden" doing his little song & dance on video?
Sorry, i didn't *ahem* happen to catch this |
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Well ... ??? |
Oh I forgot Jeff Rense supporters like Bin Laden |
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rapier
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I think the white imperialistic settlers deserve whatever they get. It was only a hundred years back they wiped out Native indians in a massive genocide and imported millions of negro slaves from africa. Bring on the day white Americans are forced back to their real home in Europe.
Once a lot of latinos, Arabs and so on take over the U.S. and send you back to the satanic mills of Western Europe, you could perhaps forge a living out of teaching esl somewhere in asia. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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The ever-thoughtful Rapier wrote:
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I think the white imperialistic settlers deserve whatever they get. It was only a hundred years back they wiped out Native indians in a massive genocide and imported millions of negro slaves from africa. Bring on the day white Americans are forced back to their real home in Europe.
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Funny how the militant organizations which are actually active on behalf of native Americans, and which take a back seat to no one in condemning genocide, reject the nihilisitic violence advocated by you and bin laden.
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The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council vehemently condemns the recent acts of violence and terrorism perpetrated against innocent civilians in the United States. We condemn similar acts of violence and terrorism perpetrated by all governments and organizations against innocent civilians worldwide.
THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL DECLARES:
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On Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. central time, Indian people will be standing with thousands of Minnesotans at the State Capitol to join our prayers and spirit in the wake of these horrific and tragic events. We request that all of our Indian peoples and others join us in our offerings and prayers at this time.
Our hearts go out to the victims and their families, and we mourn with them the loss of their loved ones. As a people who have historically suffered similar crimes against humanity perpetrated against peaceful Indian villages in the North America, and continuing today against Indian civilians in several countries of Central and South America, we nonetheless at this time grieve and join our prayers and spirits with the families of the innocent victims of these acts of violence in New York City, Pennsylvania, and Washington D.C.
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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I think the white imperialistic settlers deserve whatever they get. It was only a hundred years back they wiped out Native indians in a massive genocide and imported millions of negro slaves from africa. Bring on the day white Americans are forced back to their real home in Europe.
Once a lot of latinos, Arabs and so on take over the U.S. and send you back to the satanic mills of Western Europe, you could perhaps forge a living out of teaching esl somewhere in asia. |
/me winces. Pretty batty even by your cracked standards. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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"the human rights of due process and fair trial encompassed both in international human rights law and international humanitarian law are not being respected. On 4 October 2004, a letter was sent to the heads of thirty permanent missions to the United Nations emphasizing that the detention of individuals in Iraq was the result of an illegal invasion and occupation by the United States and that the United States continues to be an illegal occupier and the detaining power over the former President of Iraq."
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=6287 |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think the white imperialistic settlers deserve whatever they get. It was only a hundred years back they wiped out Native indians in a massive genocide and imported millions of negro slaves from africa. Bring on the day white Americans are forced back to their real home in Europe.
Once a lot of latinos, Arabs and so on take over the U.S. and send you back to the satanic mills of Western Europe, you could perhaps forge a living out of teaching esl somewhere in asia. |
Well wait a minute. Many Africans were involved in the slave trade--capturing rival Africans and selling them to the highest bidder.
Then there was the rather brisk trade in the slaving markets run by the Arabs in North Africa/the Mediterranean--which continued on long after Britain and other countries banned slavery. They had to be forced to stop. Actually it still takes place, albeit on a much smaller scale.
Then there was the slave trade in South America--run by "Latinos" and mixed bloods. They had to be forced to stop too. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
I think the white imperialistic settlers deserve whatever they get. It was only a hundred years back they wiped out Native indians in a massive genocide and imported millions of negro slaves from africa. Bring on the day white Americans are forced back to their real home in Europe.
Once a lot of latinos, Arabs and so on take over the U.S. and send you back to the satanic mills of Western Europe, you could perhaps forge a living out of teaching esl somewhere in asia. |
/me winces. Pretty batty even by your cracked standards. |
Ignore him, for some reason he has decided to crank up this same BS as he did last year, and then he later confessed (in an off topic forum thread that he started) that he was just doing it to get attention and wind people up.
So feel free to use the following pic in response to his posts when/where neccessary:
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